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(bhautik jagat). So there is no need for you to know the material world. Where does the difference occur? You tell me.
Questioner: As living (jiva) and non-living (ajiva).
Dadashri: But the jiva itself is worldly (bhautik). Why is it called an embodied soul (jivatma)? It is because, its vision (drashti) is directed towards the material (bhautik) world, and it only dwells in the material world, which is why it is called an embodied soul (jivatma). It is immersed in, and basks in the happiness and pleasures (sukh) of the material life; it is called an embodied soul (jivatma). And it is that, which we call the material world (bhautik jagat). Because as long as it is worldly (bhautik); its dwelling will always be in the worldly realm. Do you understand this? If you want separation, if you want to separate them, I will do that for you. Nevertheless, this material world is itself the embodied soul (jivatma). That from which it (jiva) seeks temporary happiness, and from which it seeks relative happiness, is just a material world. Where it seeks from is also the material world (bhautik jagat), and the seeker itself is the material world. If one understands this, his work will be done.
Questioner: Jiva comes within the body, Atma comes within the body, and also the material world (bhautik jagat) comes into the body; a mixture of all the three is in it.
Dadashri: It includes everything. The entire universe has come into the body, nothing is left out.
Questioner: So how are we to understand them separately? How can I separate them and then understand them?
Dadashri: To separate them, you have to become a scientist. In this ring, there is a combination of gold, copper, and two or three other metals, and as they have become mixed, how would you separate them? Can any ordinary person separate them? Only the person, who is skilled at it, can separate them. Only an expert, who knows how to separate them, can do this.
