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For instance, 'Oh bhikṣu! I asked the Niganthas, when your endeavour is strong, do you experience a strong pain, and when it is not that'strong, you experience not too strong a pain? They said, yes, I told them, because of their nescience, ignorance and illusion, their understanding was wrong. To this they gave no reply". Continued
he,
"Then I asked, can a kar ma scheduled to be experi
enced in this life be transmitted to next life? They said, no.
"Can a kar ma scheduled to be experienced in the next life be brought backward to this life? They said, no.
"Can a kar ma giving pleasant experience be transformed into one giving unpleasant experience and vice versa? They said, no. In every case, they gave a negative reply".
He added, "People holding this sort of view are condemnable at ten places; people holding the view propagated by the Truth-finder are blessed at ten places for revealing the Truth". He gave the details of the ten places.
Source: majjhima Nikaya, Deva dana Suttanta
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Comment
In this episode, the description of omniscience and rigorous penance (see item 5 below)is similar to what is contained in Cula -dukkha -khandhaka , For all the questions, the Niganthas have been made to give a negative reply. The position is that this may be correct for the nikacita state of karma, but not for many other states, like udvartana, apavartana. udirasankraman, etc.
