Aptavani Shreni 05

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/030016/1

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phra 55 AptavANI zreNI - 5

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dAdA bhagavAna prarUpita AptavANI zreNI-5 mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna hindI anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa

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trimaMtra

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dAdA bhagavAna prarUpita AptavANI zreNI - 5 samarpaNa dAdA kI AptavANI karU~ samarpaNa, AMtarazatruoM kA banA yaha darpaNa. avirata vedIM Adhi-vyAdhi-upAdhi, AptavANI ke zabdoM se prApta samAdhi. dAdA ke vizvakalyANa kI rAha meM, vANI prakaTAe dIpaka hara ghaTa meM.

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(dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM hindI 1. jJAnI purUSa kI pahacAna 21. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA 2. sarva duHkhoM se mukti vyavahAra 3. karma kA siddhAMta 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya 4. Atmabodha 23. dAna 5. maiM kauna hU~? 24. mAnava dharma 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara 25. sevA-paropakAra svAmI 26. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura 7. bhUgate usI kI bhUla pazcAta 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 9. TakarAva TAlie 28. pati-patnI kA divya 10. huA so nyAya vyavahAra 11. ciMtA 29. kleSa rahita jIvana 12. krodha 30. ahiMsA 13. pratikramaNa 31. satya-asatya ke rahasya 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna? 32. camatkAra 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 33. pApa-puNya 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 34. vANI, vyavahAra meM... 17. jagata kartA kauna ? 35. karma kA vijJAna 18. trimaMtra 36. AptavANI - 1 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 37. AptavANI - 4 20. prema 38. AptavANI - 5 dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI 55 pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotA hai|

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dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba chaH baje kA samaya, bhIr3a se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga khaa| akrama, arthAt binA krama ke. aura krama arthAt sIDhI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnI puruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hue haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| ApameM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisIke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the|

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AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| pIche anugAmI cAhie ki nahIM cAhie? pIche logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?" - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSu janoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the| ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thiiN| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ vaise hI mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thii| pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzo meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAnaprApti ke bAda haz2AroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, jimmedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiN| graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai| jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai|

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nivedana AtmavijJAnI zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, jinheM loga 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke nAma se bhI jAnate haiM, unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa karake , saMkalana tathA saMpAdana karake pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita kiyA jAtA haiN| jJAnI puruSa saMpUjya dAdA bhagavAna ke zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahArajJAna saMbaMdhI vibhinna viSayoM para nikalI sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa AptavANI meM huA hai, jo naye pAThakoM ke lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogii| prastuta anuvAda meM yaha vizeSa dhyAna rakhA gayA hai ki vAcaka ko dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai, aisA anubhava ho| unakI hindI ke bAre meM unake hI zabda meM kaheM to "hamArI hindI yAne gujarAtI, hindI aura aMgrejI kA miksacara hai, lekina jaba 'TI' (cAya) banegI, taba acchI bnegii|" jJAnI kI vANI ko hindI bhASA meM yathArtha rUpa se anuvAdita karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai kintu dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogaa| jinheM jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA sahI marma samajhanA ho, vaha isa hetu gujarAtI bhASA sIkheM, aisA hamArA anurodha hai| prastuta pustaka meM kaI jagahoM para koSThaka meM darzAye gaye zabda yA vAkya parama pUjya dAdAzrI dvArA bole gaye vAkyoM ko adhika spaSTatApUrvaka samajhAne ke lie likhe gaye haiN| jabaki kucha jagahoM para aMgrejI zabdoM ke hindI artha ke rUpa meM rakhe gaye haiN| dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI zabda jyoM ke tyoM rakhe gaye haiM, kyoMki una zabdoM ke lie hindI meM aisA koI zabda nahIM hai, jo usakA pUrNa artha de ske| hAlAMki una zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda artha ke rUpa meM diye gaye haiN| anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN|

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AptavANiyoM ke hindI anuvAda ke lie parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI bhAvanA 'ye AptavANiyA~ eka se ATha chapa gaI haiN| dUsarI caudaha taka taiyAra honevAlI haiM, caudaha bhaag| ye AptavANiyA~ hindI meM chapa jAe~ to sAre hindustAna meM phaila jaaeN|' - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdA bhagavAna (dAdAzrI) ke zrImukha se Aja se pacIsa sAla pahale nikalI isa bhAvanA phalita hone kI yaha zurUAta hai aura Aja AptavANI-1 kA hindI anuvAda Apake hAthoM meM hai| bhaviSya meM aura bhI AptavANIoM tathA graMtho kA hindI anuvAda upalabdha hogA usI bhAvanA ke sAtha jaya sccidaanNd| pAThakoM se... 'AptavANI' meM mudrita pAThyasAmagrI mUlataH gujarAtI 'AptavANI' | zreNI-5 kA hindI rupAMtara hai| isa 'AptavANI' meM 'AtmA' zabda ko saMskRta aura gujarAtI bhASA kI taraha pulliMga meM prayoga kiyA gayA hai| jahA~ jahA~ para caMdUlAla nAma kA prayoga kiyA gayA hai, vahA~ vahA~ para pAThaka svayaM kA nAma samajhakara paThana kreN| 'AptavANI' meM agara koI bAta Apa samajha na pAyeM to pratyakSa satsaMga meM padhAra kara samAdhAna prApta kreN|

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saMpAdakIya tatvajJAna kI atyaMta gahana bAteM sunane aura par3hane meM to bahuta AI haiN| jIvana ke dhyeya ke zikharoM kA bahuta logoM ne talahaTI meM rahakara u~galInirdeza kiyA hai! vyavahAra meM, 'kyA satya hai, kyA asatya hai, kyA caurya hai, kyA acaurya hai, kyA parigraha hai, kyA aparigraha hai yA phira kyA heya hai aura kyA upAdeya hai', inakA sArA varNana bar3e-bar3e graMthoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita huA hai| parantu asatya, hiMsA, corI, parigraha yA heya kA mUla AdhAra kyA hai, vaha kahIM bhI dekhane ko nahIM milatA hai| usameM bhI kucha hada taka koI virala jJAnI hI kahakara gae hoMge, kintu jIvana kI sAmAnya se sAmAnya ghaTanAoM meM kaSAya sUkSmarUpa se kisa taraha kArya kara jAte haiM, usakA visphoTa yadi kisIne isa kalikAla meM kiyA hai, to ve sirpha ye 'akrama vijJAnI' paramakRpAlu zrI dAdAzrI ne! unake mAdhyama se prakaTa hue 'akrama vijJAna' meM AtmA, anAtmA, AtmA-anAtmA saMbaMdhita jJAna, usI prakAra vizvakartA, jagatniyaMtA jaise guhya vijJAnoM kA prAkaTya to hai hI, kintu vaha sarvagrAhya, aura pratyakSa jIvana meM anubhavagamya bana jAe vaisA gupta vyavahAra jJAna prakAzamAna ho, vaisA lakSya prastuta graMtha meM lakSita huA hai| vAtsalyamUrti pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI pravacana, vyAkhyAna yA upadezAtmaka rUpa se pravAhita nahIM hotii| jijJAsu, mumukSu yA vicArakoM ke hRdaya meM se vAstavika jIvana praznoM ke sphuraNa kA sarva prakAra se samAdhAnayukta nikalanevAlI 'Tepa'vAlA vijJAna hai! usameM koI vivecana nahIM hai, na hI lambA-lambA UbAnevAlA bhASaNa hai! praznoM ke pratyuttara hRdayamarmI hone se, buddhi ko chinnabhinna karake Atmadarzana meM phalita karate haiM ! yahI mahAna svAnubhavI 'jJAnI puruSa' kI apUrva khUbI hai! 'jJAnI puruSa' vizva kI objarveTarI (vedhazAlA) mAne jAte hai| haz2AroM logoM ke aneka praznoM ke saTIka pratyuttara isa objarveTarI meM se sahaja rUpa se tatkSaNa nikalate haiM, phira ve prazna tatvajJAna ke hoM, jIvana vyavahAra ke hoM yA pazu-pakSiyoM kI dinacaryA ke hoM!

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eka mahAna tatvajJAnI parama pUjya dAdAzrI ke uttaroM para AfarIna hokara pUcha baiThe, 'dAdA, Apa sabhI praznoM ke javAba kahA~ se dete haiM?!' taba pUjya dAdAzrI ne ha~sate-ha~sate kahA, "maiM yaha par3hA huA nahIM bolatA hU~, yaha 'kevaLajJAna' meM se 'dekhakara' bolatA hU~!!" phira eka vyakti ne unase pUchA thA, 'dAdA, Apa itane sAre praznoM ke javAba dete haiM, phira bhI kabhI eka bhI bhUla nahIM nikalatI, usakA kyA kAraNa hai?' taba pUjya dAdAzrI ne kahA, 'yaha Tepa meM se nikalatA hai islie| maiM yadi bolane jAU~ to nirI bhUleM hI nikaleM!!!' saMpUrNa niraahaMkAra kA yaha tAdRzya darzana hai! kAruNyamUrti dAdAzrI kA na to koI paMtha hai, na hI pakSa, na hI koI sampradAya, na to kisI prakAra kA khaMDana hai, na hI kisIkA maMDana (sthApana) hai| unake pAsa na to koI gaddI hai, na hI koI gaddIpati!!! unake pAsa to kevaLa eka kAruNyabhAva hai ki kisa prakAra isa jagat ke jIva asahya ArtatA meM se vimukta hokara AtmA kI anaMta samAdhi meM lIna ho jAe~! puNya ke yoga se jo unake pAsa pahu~ca gayA aura aMta meM unheM jJAnAvatArI puruSa ke rUpa meM pahacAna gayA usakA ber3A pAra ho gayA! varnA sIdhe-sAde, sarala aura koTa-TopI ke zrRMgAra meM saje hue ina bhavyAtmA ko sAmAnya dRSTi kisa prakAra se samajha sakatI hai? usake lie to jauharI kI naz2ara hI cAhie! paramakRpAlu dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se pravAhita prakaTa vANI kI yathAsamajha saMkalana ke, janasamakSa prakaTIkaraNa kA eka hI aMtaraAzaya hai ki jagat unheM pahacAnakara, unake jJAna kA alabhya lAbha lekara, pratyakSa yoga sAdhakara, Adi-vyAdhi aura upAdhi (bAhara se AnevAle duHkha) meM bhI niraMtara samAdhi prApta kara leN| jo hama jaise haz2AroM puNyAtmAoM ko mila cukA hai! -- DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna ke jaya sccidaanNd|

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upodghAta pA~coM indriyA~ apane-apane dharma meM haiN| mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra bhI apane-apane dharma meM haiN| to dharma kauna cUka gayA? AtmA se| kAna sunate haiM aura khuda mAnatA hai 'maiM sunatA huuN|' A~kheM dekhatI haiM aura khuda mAnatA hai ki 'maiM dekhatA huuN|' isa prakAra pratyeka indriya ke dharma ko khuda kA dharma mAnatA hai| AtmA kA dharma to dekhanA, jAnanA aura paramAnaMda meM rahanA, vaha hai| usake badale svadharma cUkakara paradharma meM praveza karatA hai| dUsaroM ke dharma ko khuda kA mAnatA hai aura khuda kA dharma bhUla gayA hai! AtmAnubhavI AtmajJAnI puruSa svarUpa kA bhAna karavA dete haiM, usase use khuda ke dharma kA bhAna ho jAtA hai, isalie oTomeTika dUsare ke dharma ko khuda kA mAnane se ruka jAtA hai| svadharma meM A gayA to yahIM para mokSa baratatA hai! khuda jo nahIM hai, use maiM mAnanA, vaha mithyAdRSTi - ulTI dRsstti| khuda jo hai, use maiM mAnanA, vaha samyak dRSTi - sahI dRSTi sAMsArika jAnane kA prayatna hai, vaha mithyAjJAna-ajJAna hai| ulTI zraddhA baiThI isalie ulTA jJAna huA aura usase ulTA cAritra utpanna huaa| AtmA ko jAna liyA, vaha samyak jJAna hai| bhAva, vaha cArja hai aura ghaTanA hotI hai vaha DiscArja hai| corI karane kA bhAva karatA rahatA hai, vaha corI kA cArja karatA hai aura usakA phala agale janma meM AtA hai| DiscArja meM, ki jisake AdhAra para taba vaha corI karatA hai! aura yadi usakA pachatAvA kare, pratikramaNa kare, to vaha usameM se chUTa jAtA hai| akrama mArga meM bhAva-abhAva donoM meM se mukta bana jAtA hai aura mAtra dekhane aura jAnane kA hI rahatA hai! jIva mAtra pravAha ke rUpa meM hai| pravAha meM Age pravAhita hotA hai| usameM koI karttA nahIM hai| karttA dikhate haiM, ve naimittika kartA haiM, svataMtra kartA nahIM haiN| yadi svataMtra kartA hotA to khuda hamezA ke lie baMdhana meM hI rhtaa| naimittika kartA baMdhana meM nahIM AtA hai| kudaratI rUpa se saMyogoM 12

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ke dhakke se jagat cala hI rahA hai| mAtra roMga bilIfa khar3I hotI hai ki maiMne kiyaa| usase agale janma kA karmabIja DalatA hai ! isalie akhA bhagata ne kahA hai, 'jo tU jIva to karttA hari, jo tU ziva to vastu kharI, karttA miTe to chUTe karma, e che mahAbhajana kA mrm|' ajJAnatA meM anaupacArika vyavahAra se AtmA dravyakarma kA karttA hai| jo sacara hai vaha mikenikala AtmA hai, prakRti hai, aura mUla AtmA acala hai / pUrA jagat prakRti ko sthira karane jAtA hai / jo svabhAva se hI caMcala hai, vaha sthira kisa prakAra se ho sakatA hai? acala, aisA merA AtmasvarUpa hai aura bAkI kI dUsarI sArI hI caMcala prakRti hai, vaha mujhase bilkula alaga hI hai, mAtra itanA jAna lenA hai / phira prakRti, prakRti meM barategI aura AtmA, AtmA meM barategA, bhinna rahakara ! zAstra par3hakara mAnate haiM, 'maiM jAnatA huuN|' usase balki ahaMkAra bar3hA, phira vaha jAe kahA~ se? vaha to jJAnI mileM, taba kAma hotA hai| yaha baMdhA huA hai, vaha kauna ? ahaMkAra, usakA mokSa karanA hai| AtmA to mukta hI hai| ajJAnatA se mAnatA hai ki 'maiM baMdha gayA', vaha jJAna hote hI mukta ho jAtA hai ! phira ahaMkAra calA jAtA hai / ahaMkAra jAe to 'maiM kara rahA hU~, vaha kara rahA hai aura ve kara rahe haiM', vaha mithyAdRSTi hI khatma ho jAtI hai! prakRti karatI hai Ter3hA, to tU kara aMdara sIdhA / prakRti krodha kare taba tU aMdara pratikramaNa kara / bhItara hama sudhAreM, phira prakRti cAhe jitanA Ter3hA kare taba bhI tU usake lie jimmedAra nahIM hai / prakRti bilkula alaga hI hai, use alaga hI rakhanA hai / parAI pIr3A meM nahIM par3ate / prakRti abhiprAya rakhe aura hama abhiprAya rahita baneM / vItarAgoM kA tarIkA kaisA hotA hai ? 'ye galata haiM, bhUlavAle haiM', kahA, ki pakar3e gae! vahA~ koI abhiprAya hI nahIM denA caahie| hamArI dRSTi hI nahIM bigar3anI cAhie ! 13

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akrama vijJAna meM sArI hI chUTa dete haiN| karma nahIM baMdhege kahIM bhI, usakI dAdA gAranTI dete haiM, mAtra eka hI bhayasthAna batAte haiM, aNahakka (binA haqa kA) ke viSayoM kaa| dveSa aura abhAva meM bahuta pharka hai| abhAva arthAt DislAika, vaha mAnasika hotA hai| vaha to jJAnI ko bhI hotA hai, lAika enDa ddislaaik| aura dveSa, vaha ahaMkArI vastu hai! abhAva, ve to abhiprAya kie hue haiM, unake phalasvarUpa rahate haiN| unake pratikramaNa karane par3eMge, taba jaaeNge| mana ko dabAnA nahIM hotA hai| use samajhA-bujhAkara zAMta karanA hotA hai| saMyamI ko yamarAja bhI vaza meM rahate haiM, yAnI ki mRtyu kA bhI use bhaya nahIM rahatA! yAda AyA vaha prigrh| svarUpa se dUra kare vaha prigrh| akramavijJAna se svarUpa kI prApti hotI hai, jo krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha ko khatma kara detI hai! vyavahAra zuddha banatA hai aura pUrA varlDa Azcaryacakita ho jAtA hai, usa vyavahAra ko dekhakara! parama pUjya dAdAzrI kA aisA hI vyavahAra dekhane ko milatA hai| use dekhakara hI hameM aisA sIkhane ko milatA hai| parama vinaya to jJAna milate hI apane Apa utpanna ho jAtA hai ! parama vinaya se mokSa hai, kriyAoM se nhiiN| maMdiroM meM vinaya hai| jJAnI ke pAsa parama vinaya utpanna hotA hai| jo saMsAra meM abhyudaya aura mokSa ke lie AnuSaMgika, donoM phala detA hai! jinakA vinaya karo, unakI niMdA nahIM krte| jJAnI bhAva ko hI dekhate haiM, kriyA ko nhiiN| kisIne kisIko mAra DAlA, to vaha prakRti karatI hai, hisAba hai, 'vyavasthita' hai vagairaha-vagairaha jJAna ke avalaMbana pharsTa sTeja ke haiM, aura aMtima sTeja meM to, mUla svabhAva meM to, vaha maratA hI nahIM, nAzavaMta cIz2oM kA nAza hotA hI rahatA hai| isalie jagat nirdoSa hai| mAratA hai vaha bhI

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nirdoSa hai aura maratA hai vaha bhI nirdoSa hai, jo bacAe vaha bhI nirdoSa hai! sabhI duHkhoM kA mUla ajJAna hai| ajJAna se kaSAya haiM aura kaSAya hI rAta-dina kacoTate haiM! jJAna milane ke bAda japa-tapa kriyAe~ vagairaha sAdhanoM kI z2arUrata nahIM rhtii| mAtra jJAnI kI AjJA meM hI raheM, to ho jAtA hai mokSa! jJAnI mileM, tabhI aMtara kA bhedana hotA hai aura tabhI aMdara kA sabakucha dikhatA hai, aura usase chUTA jA sakatA hai| AtmA ke anubhava kI bAteM jJAnI ke pAsa se sunakara buddhi grahaNa kara letI hai| parantu vaha bhI jJAnI kA pratyakSa sunakara jo buddhi samyak huI ho, vahI grahaNa kara sakatI hai, nahIM to kAna taka hI jAtA hai| jJAnI kI vANI paramAtmA ko sparza karake nikalI huI hotI hai, isalie AvaraNa bhedakara sAmanevAle ko sparza karatI hai aura mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra sabhI use grahaNa kara lete haiN| aura bAkI sabakI vANI mana ko sparza karake nikalatI hai, isalie vaha sirpha mana ko hI sparza karatI hai| avasthA meM tanmayAkAra ho, vahA~ asvastha ho jAtA hai, aura avinAzI AtmA meM rahe to svastha hI rahegA hamezA! AtmA paudgalika avasthA ko jAnatA hai aura AtmA svayaM apane Apa ko hI dekhatA hai| isalie sabhI AvaraNa biMdha jAte haiM aura sabakucha zuddha ho jAtA hai! jJAnI niraMtara deha se alaga hI rahate haiN| usake jJAtA-dRSTA hI rahate haiM, isalie unheM koI duHkha sparza hI nahIM krtaa| AtmA kA svabhAva hI nahIM ki use koI duHkha sparza kare! mAra par3e taba pUrI rAta jagakara invenzana (khojabIna) kare, vaha pragati karatA hai| ThaMDaka meM par3e hue kI pragati ruka jAtI hai| mokSa meM jAne kA hara eka jIva ko adhikAra hai| mAtra, jJAnI kI zaraNa meM jAnA par3atA hai| isa kAla meM akrama vijJAna, mokSa kI aMtima gAr3I hai, jo bhI isa 15

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aMtima avasara kA lAbha uThA le, vaha pratyakSa mokSa meM jAegA vega se| phira haz2Aro varSoM taka bhI ThikAnA nahIM par3egA! ___AyuSya meM parivartana kisIse bhI nahIM ho sktaa| phira bhale hI ve saMta hoM, mahAtmA hoM, jJAnI hoM yA tIrthaMkara hoN| mRtyu ke samaya jisakA samAdhimaraNa hotA hai, use deha kI pIr3A parezAna hI nahIM krtii| aMtima ghaMTA saMpUrNa samAdhi meM jAtA hai aura jinheM akrama jJAna milA ho una sabako hI aMta samaya meM to dAdA pratyakSa dikhate haiM yA phira 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', sirpha vahI lakSya meM rahatA hai, deha alaga hI lagatA hai, jo maratA hai vaha alaga hI lagatA hai| marate samaya pUrI z2indagI kA lekhAjokhA A jAtA hai| siddha bhagavaMta siddhakSetra meM hI hote haiM, kevaLajJAna-svarUpa hI hote haiN| niraMtara parama sukha meM hote haiM aura pUre brahmAMDa ko prakAzita karate haiN| 'zuddhAtmA ko dekhanA' arthAt kyA? ina A~khoM se ve nahIM dikhte| jaise eka DibbI meM kImatI hIrA baMda karake rakha diyA ho, vaha phira khayAla meM hI rahatA hai ki 'isameM hIrA hai aura aisA hai' vagairaha, vagairaha.. vaise hI jJAna milane ke bAda mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra sabhI eksepTa karate haiM ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hI hU~ aura sabhI meM zuddhAtmA hI hai|' phira zaMkA nahIM hotI! jJAnI kI ArAdhanA kareM to zuddhAtmA kI ArAdhanA karane ke barAbara hai aura vahI paramAtmA kI ArAdhanA hai aura vahI mokSa kA kAraNa hai| Atmasukha kI anubhUti kyA hai? kisa taraha usakA patA calatA hai? Atmasukha kA lakSaNa arthAt niraMtara nirAkulatA rahatI hai| AkulatAvyAkulatA huI to upayoga cUka gae, aisA smjhnaa| zAtA (sukha-pariNAma) vedanIya yA azAtA (duHkha-pariNAma) vedanIya, donoM ko jAne vaha aatmanubhv| zArIrika duHkha kise hotA hai? AtmA ko nahIM, deha ko hotA hai| vaha bhI 'vyavasthita' hai| jaba vedanA ho, taba hama 'caMdUbhAI' se kaha deM, aise 16

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hAtha ghumAkara (khuda khuda ko hI), ApakA bahuta sira duHkha rahA hai? abhI kama ho jAegA!' aura vahA~ para 'mujhe' duHkhA aisA lagA ki bhUta lipaTa jaaegaa| DikzanarI badala do| azAtA sukhadAyI aura zAtA duHkhdaayii| 'ye sAre sukha-duHkha par3osI ko haiM' aisA smjho| khuda apane sAtha, prakRti ke sAtha judApana kA vyavahAra zurU kara do| khuda apane Apa se alaga rahakara usake sAtha bAteM karanA, kSatriya kI taraha, to prakRti khatma hotI jaaegii| 'caMdUbhAI' ko darpaNa ke sAmane le jAkara sira para hAtha pherakara bAte kareM, dilAsA deN| jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa, isa prakAra bhagavAna ne aise mokSa ke cAra AdhArastaMbha batAe haiN| uNodarI sabase bar3A bAhyatapa hai, aura mokSa ke lie aMtaratapa kI z2arUrata hai| aMtaratapa arthAt bhayaMkara vedanA ho rahI ho usa ghar3I 'hama' homa DipArTamenTa meM hI raheM, sva-pariNati meM hI rheN| para-pariNati utpanna hI nahIM ho, vaisA tapa karanA hai| ye para-pariNAma haiM, ye mere pariNAma nahIM haiM, isa prakAra sva-pariNAma meM maz2abUta rahe, vahI tapa! aura usase hI mokSa hai ! vedanA ko parAI jAne to vaisA jAnate hI rahoge aura 'mujhe ho rahA hai' hote hI phira usa vedanA kA vedana karate ho| aura yaha sahana nahIM hotI' kahA ki vedanA phira dasa gunA lagatI hai| bole, vaisA asara ho jAtA hai| vahA~ kSatriyatA se kAma lenA caahie| AtmA kA svabhAva kaisA hai! jaisA ciMtana karatA hai vaisA hI turanta ho jAtA hai! sukhamaya ciMtana kiyA to sukhamaya ho jAtA hai aura duHkhamaya ciMtana kiyA to du:khamaya ho jAtA hai ! isalie jAgRta rahanA ki duHkhamaya ciMtana na ho jaae| aisA mata bolanA ki merA sira duHkha rahA hai| vahA~ to aisA hI bolanA ki caMdUbhAI kA sira duHkha rahA hai ! para-bhAva meM para-pariNati utpanna nahIM honI caahie| para-pariNAma ko khuda ke pariNAma mAne, vahI parapariNati hai| jJAniyoM ko, tIrthaMkaroM ko bhI azAtA vedanIya hotI hai, parantu use ve jAnate haiM, kevaLajJAna ke dvArA jAnate haiN| 17

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citta ko svarUpa meM hI rakhanA hai, vedanA meM yA vinAzI vastu meM nhiiN| citta avinAzI meM rahA, to vaha ho gayA shuddh| phira vaha videhI ho gayA! nija zakti svakSetra meM hI hai| vaha utpanna ho gaI ki kAma ho gyaa| Ar3AI (ahaMkAra kA Ter3hApana) kise kahate haiM? khuda kI bhUla ho gaI ho, usakA khuda ko patA cala jAtA hai, phira bhI koI pUche ki, 'aisA kyoM kiyA', to kahatA hai ki, 'aisA karane jaisA thA', vaha Ar3A kahalAtA hai| bhUla ke bAre meM patA ho phira bhI Dhake, vaha sabase bar3I aadd'aaii| do prakAra ke inaam| laoNTarI lage vaha aura jeba kaTe vaha bhI, donoM 'vyavasthita haiN| jahA~ para gaccha-mata vAlI vANI nahIM hai, kevaLa AtmA saMbaMdhI hI vANI hai, ve brahmasvarUpa kahalAte haiN| AtmA anaMta haiN| mokSa meM pratyeka AtmA alaga-alaga hI hai aura niraMtara sva-sukha meM hI rahate haiN| pUrA jIvana vyavahAra galana (DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) svarUpa hI hai aura phira 'vyavasthita' hai| pA~coM hI indriyA~ udayAdhIna haiN| karmabaMdha kisase hai? 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' vaha mAnyatA hI karmabaMdha kA mUla kAraNa hai| bAta ko sirpha samajhanA hI hai| yaha vijJAna hai| vicAra Ae~, parezAna karanevAle Ae~, unheM alaga rahakara dekhate hI rahanA hai| vicAra mana meM se Ate haiN| mana kahe, gAr3I TakarA jAegI to? taba vahA~ use dekhate hI rahanA hai aura ArAma se gAr3I meM baiThe rahanA hai, mana meM tanmayAkAra nahIM ho jAnA hai| bahuta duHkha A par3e to use kahanA ki 'dAdA ke pAsa jaa|' saMsAra se bAhara nahIM nikalane de, vaha buddhi hai| buddhi phAyadAnukasAna dikhAtI hai, jalana karavAtI hai| jJAnI ke pAsa aMtaradAha hamezA ke lie baMda ho jAtA hai ! samyak buddhi ho, vahA~ para gaccha-mata kucha bhI nahIM hotA! yaha merA, yaha ApakA, aise judAI nahIM hotI! 18

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AuTara buddhi (barhibuddhi) mikenikala hai aura inara buddhi (AMtarabuddhi) svataMtra banAnevAlI hai| vaha buddhi bhI mikenikala hai| koI UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) hI nahIM haiM, vaisA svataMtra banAtI hai| mikenikala buddhi se saMsArI cIjeM milatI haiN| _ 'maiM kauna hU~?' 'maiM kisake AdhAra para hU~?' vaha AdhAra-AdhArI kA patA calanA Avazyaka hai| jagat meM kyA karane jaisA hai, kyA nahIM karane jaisA hai, aura kyA jAnanA hai aura kyA nahIM jAnanA hai, itanA hI samajhanA viraha arthAt caina hI nahIM par3e, taba saMsAra se chUTA jA sakatA hai| viraha jJAnI kA honA caahie| usase bhItara bijalI utpanna hotI hai aura "svarUpa' tez2avAna banatA hai! viraha to bahuta uttama vastu kahalAtI hai| jJAnI se bahuta kAla kA paricaya ho jAe, use viraha mahasUsa hotA hai| jise mokSa meM jAnA ho use isa viraha kI vedanA jagatI hai! hama sabakA mUla svarUpa saccidAnaMda svarUpa hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' roMga bilIfa phrekcara kara dete haiM aura rAiTa bilIfa baiThA dete haiN| phira 'maiM AtmA hI hU~' usakA bhAna hotA hai, jJAna hotA hai aura niraMtara usakA lakSya rahatA hai! usake bAda mAyA jAtI hai aura moha jAtA hai| gautama svAmI ko mahAvIra svAmI para jo moha thA, use prazasta moha kahA jAtA hai| usase saMsAra ke sabhI moha khatma ho jAte haiM aura mokSa avazya milatA hI hai| prazasta moha arthAt ki jo mokSa meM le jAnevAle haiM, una para moha ho jAtA hai| vaha hAnikAraka nahIM hai| vaha to mokSa dilavA degaa| z2arA dera lagegI, parantu usase kyA? vItarAgoM para moha, vItarAgatA lAnevAlI vastuoM para moha, vaha prazasta moha hai| jahA~ zaMkA ho, vahA~ sAyaklona AtA hai! aura mokSa ke lie to saMpUrNa niHzaMka honA pdd'egaa| AtmA ke lie saMpUrNa ni:zaMka honA pdd'egaa| aura vaha niHzaMkatA, jaba 'jJAnI puruSa' AtmA kA jJAna de, tabhI hotI hai! phira nae karma cArja nahIM hote!

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yadi saMsAra meM Age bar3hanA ho to buddhimArga pakar3o, aura mokSamArga meM jAnA ho to abudhamArga pkdd'o| jo viparIta buddhi hotI hai, jJAnI ke satsaMga se vaha samyak ho jAtI hai aura vaha mokSa meM le jAtI hai! saMpUrNa abudha ho jAe, taba kevaLajJAna hotA hai! mokSa meM jAne ke lie buddhi kAma kI nahIM hai| AjJA ke binA svacchaMda nahIM rukatA aura svacchaMda gae binA mokSa nahIM hotA, isalie jJAnI kI AjJA hI dharma aura vahI tapa! AjJA kA ArAdhana hI mokSa kA upAya hai! yoga sAdhanA se ekAgratA hotI hai| thor3I dera mana sthira hotA hai aura vaha yadi abava naoNrmala ho jAe to vaha mahAna rogagrasta hai| usase ahaMkAra bar3ha jAtA hai aura paramAtmA dUra ho jAte haiN| sAkSIbhAva, vaha ahaMkAra se rahatA hai! koI gAliyA~ de, apamAna kare aura burA laga jAe, vahI pramANa hai ki ahaMkAra hai aNdr| sAkSIbhAva kramikamArga kI eka sIr3hI hai| aMta meM to jJAtAbhAva, dRSTAbhAva meM AnA hai| AtmA ke bAre meM svamati se calanA, use hI svacchaMda kahA hai| svacchaMda se mArga meM aMtarAya par3ate haiN| vartana meM nahIM lAnA hai, samajha meM seTa kara lenA hai, saccA jJAna! samajhane kA phala hI vartana hai| samajha gayA ho, parantu vartana meM nahIM Ae taba taka darzana kahalAtA hai aura vartana meM A gayA, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| jJAna kI mAtA kauna? samajha! vaisI samajha kahA~ se milegI? jJAnI ke pAsa se| pUrNa samajha vaha kevaLadarzana, aura vaha vartana meM A jAe, vaha kevaLajJAna hai! jahA~ kucha bhI karane kA hai, vahA~ mokSamArga nahIM hai| jahA~ samajhanA hai, vahI mokSamArga hai ! mokSamArga AsAna hai, sarala hai aura sugama hai, binA kisI mehanata kA mArga hai| isalie kAma nikAla lo| 'yaha galata hai', aisA samajha meM Ae taba apane Apa vaha chUTa jAtA hai| jaise-jaise samajhadArI dRr3ha hotI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise jJAna pariNAmita hotA jAtA hai| vartana meM AyA, use hI cAritra kahate haiN| samyak cAritra dekhA jA sakatA hai aura kevaLa cAritra, vaha indriyagamya nahIM hai, jJAnagamya hai|

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zraddhA kI tulanA meM darzana ucca kahalAtA hai| zraddhA badala jAtI hai aura darzana kabhI badalatA nahIM! aura bhItara sUjha par3e vaha kudaratI dena hai| aneka janmoM ke anubhava ke sAra ke rUpa meM sUjha milatI hai! do loga bAteM kareM, vaha AkhyAna aura samUha meM bole vaha vyAkhyAna ! anukUlatA meM sAvadhAna rho| anukUlatA phisalAtI hai aura pratikUlatA jAgRta rakhatI hai| jisa bhAva se baMdha par3atA hai usI bhAva se nirjarA (Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA) hotI hai ! krUra bhAva kA baMdha par3e to nirjarA hote samaya krUra dikhatA hai! zAstrajJAna se niber3A nahIM hai, anubhavajJAna se niber3A hai| aura anubhavajJAna anubhavI jJAnI ke pAsa se hI milatA hai| zAstra hamArI bhUla nahIM dikhaate| ve sAmAnyabhAva se sabhI ko kaha jAte haiN| pratyakSa ke binA upAya nahIM hai| kAgaz2a para banAyA huA dIyA aMdhere meM prakAza degA? zAstroM kI sImA kAgaz2a para banAe hue dIye jitanI hI hai| saccA prakAza prakaTa dIyA, jJAnI hI de sakate haiM! ___jahA~ kaSAya haiM, vahA~ parigraha hai, aura akaSAya se mokSa! akramajJAna milane ke bAda kaSAya nahIM hote, kyoMki yahA~ karma baMdhate hI nhiiN| AtmajJAna ho jAe, vahA~ kaSAya jAe~! satsaMga kisalie karanA hai? itanA hI samajhane ke lie ki kucha bhI karanA mt| jo pariNAma hoM, unheM dekhate raho! niyativAda arthAt isa saMsAra ke jIvoM kA jo pravAha cala rahA hai, vaha niyati ke niyama kA anusaraNa karake cala rahA hai, parantu usameM sirpha niyati se hI pUrA nahIM ho jaataa| dUsare kAraNa jaise ki kAla, svabhAva, puruSArtha, prArabdha, sabhIkucha AtA hai| ___AtmajJAna mile taba citta zuddha ho jAtA hai| zuddha citta hI zuddha cidrUpa aura vahI zuddhAtmA kahalAtA hai| pUjya dAdAzrI jJAna dete haiM taba citta pUrA

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hI zuddha ho jAtA hai| isalie phira niraMtara 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha lakSya rahA karatA hai| jahA~ ahaMkAra calA jAe, vahA~ nirAkulatA hotI hai| 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' vaha mAnyatA prakRti ko AdhAra detI hai / 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' kA jJAna huA ki vaha AdhAra khisaka gayA / arthAt nirAdhAra hote hI vaha vastu gira par3I / ahaMkAra haTa gayA arthAt akarttA huA / mahAvideha kSetra meM sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa kisa taraha jA sakate haiM? pUjya dAdAzrI kI pA~ca AjJA pAleMge, usse| AtmA aura pudgala meM kyA pharka hai? AtmA eka hI vastu hai hamAre pAsa, aura pudgala paramANu anaMta haiM / pudgala vibhAvika vastu hai aura AtmA svAbhAvika hai| pudgala pUraNa- galana hotA rahatA hai ! kucha karanA nahIM hai, mAtra jJAnI ke kRpApAtra bananA hai| kRpApAtra banane meM bAdhaka kyA hai? ApakI Ar3AiyA~ ! dravya nahIM pltttaa| bhAva palaTeM, taba chUTA jA sakatA hai| baMda karane se corI baMda nahIM hotI, parantu corI karane kA bhAva palaTa jAe to corI baMda ho jAtI hai ! pratikramaNa karane se bhAva palaTa jAte haiM aura karma zuddha hokara pUrA ho jAtA hai ! jagat ahaMkAra nikAlane meM pha~sA huA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, "igolesa banane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, mAtra 'hama kauna hai' jAnane kI hI z2arUrata hai| apanA jo svarUpa hai usameM igoiz2ama hai hI nhiiN|" Apa caMdUbhAI nahIM ho, phira bhI mAnate ho ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vahI ahaMkAra hai / aMdara kaSAya hote haiM, cir3ha hotI hai, gussA AtA hai, usakA kAraNa kyA hai? ajnyaantaa| ajJAnatA ke kAraNa, ahaMkAra ke kAraNa, aMdara rAga- dveSa hote hI rahate haiM! isalie saMsAra kA rUTakaoNz2a ajJAnatA hai ! dhanavAna kauna hai? jo mana se rAjA ho, vaha ! paise hoM taba bhI kharca 22

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kare aura nahIM hoM phira bhI kharca kare! hara gyArahaveM varSa meM paisA badalatA hai| gyAraha varSoM taka eka paisA bhI nayA nahIM AyA ho, to karor3apati bhI khAlI ho jAe! pahale ke samaya meM loga lakSmI ko kisa taraha sa~bhAlakara rakhate the? saMpatti ke cAra barAbara bhAga karake paccIsa pratizata kI proparTI kharIda lete! paccIsa pratizata kA sonA, paccIsa pratizata byAja para rakhate aura paccIsa pratizata vyApAra meM DAlate the| isa sisTama se divAliyA hoMge hI nahIM, kabhI bhI! bahuta nukasAna ho jAe taba samajha jAnA ki pApa kA udaya cala rahA hai| isalie mAthApaccI eka tarapha rakhakara zAMti se satsaMga kara, AtmA kA kr| aise samaya meM vyApAra meM kucha bhI karane jAegA, to vaha ulTA hogaa| jagat ke loga zarIra ko cetana kahate haiN| jo kAma karate haiM, calate -phirate haiM use cetana kahate haiN| parantu vAstavika cetana to kucha bhI kriyA karatA hI nhiiN| mAtra dekhanA aura jAnanA, ye do hI kriyAe~ usakI haiN| dUsarA saba anAtma bhAga kA hai| bolatA hai, vaha bhI mizracetana hai| mikenikala cetana hai| riyala cetana nahIM hai| mUla svarUpa to sthira hai, acala hai| bAkI saba caMcala hai| mikenikala kA artha hI caMcala, sacara hai| AtmA acara hai, jagat sacarAcara hai! citta zuddha huA, vahI aNtraatmaa| pahale zuddhAtmA pratIti meM AtA hai, lakSya meM AtA hai| usake bAda anubhava pada meM rahane ke lie zuddhAtmA meM hI tanmayAkAra rahanA hotA hai| parantu jaba taka karma khapAne bAkI haiM, taba taka niraMtara zuddhAtmA meM hI tanmayAkAra nahIM rahA jA sktaa| isalie use aMtarAtmadazA, (inTrima gavarnamenTa) kahA hai| sabhI karma pUre ho jAe~, taba paramAtmA ho jAtA hai| zuddhAtmA pada kI prApti ke bAda vRttiyA~ sArI nijabhAva meM rahatI haiN| citta ko zuddhAtmA meM rakho yA 'dAdA bhagavAna' meM rakho, phira bhI vaha citta ko zuddha hI rkhegaa| saMsAra meM bhaTakatA huA citta, vaha azuddha citta kahalAtA hai, vaha mizracetana hai| aura zuddhacitta ho jAe vaha shuddhaatmaa| 'maiM

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zuddhAtmA hU~' vaisA lakSya baiTha gayA, use hI nijasvarUpa kA bhAna huA aura use hI aMtarAtmadazA huI, aisA mAnA jAtA hai| citta aura prajJA meM kyA pharka hai? citta bAhara bhaTakatA hai| zuddha citta hone ke bAda meM vaha nahIM bhaTakatA / prajJAzakti bAhara nahIM jAtI / prajJA to mUla AtmA kA aMga hai, DAyarekTa zakti hai| jo jJAna aura ajJAna ko niraMtara alaga rakhatI hai! jJAnI kI samajha se mohanIya karma pUrA khatma ho sakatA hai| TakarAva ttaalo| pUrvagraharahita ho jAe~, tabhI kalyANa hogA / akramajJAna milane ke bAda 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha upayoga rahanA caahie| jIva mAtra meM zuddhAtmA hai, aisA dRSTi meM rahanA caahie| phira vaha vyakti hamArA apamAna karanevAlA ho yA jeba kATanevAlA ho ! AtmA jAnane ke bAda hara eka ko khuda kA pudgala khapAnA hai / hara eka ko apane-apane dharma ke pudgala kA AvaraNa hotA hai| jaina ko jaina pudgala aura vaiSNava ko vaiSNava pudgala, jo mokSa meM jAne se rokatA hai| use kSaya karane para hI mokSa hogaa| jJAnI ko cAritramoha bahuta kama hotA hai aura jJAnI ke AzritoM ko usakA kSaya karanA bAkI rahatA hai ! jitanI - jitanI 'phAileM ' pUrI hotI haiM, utanA-utanA cAritramoha kSaya huA kahA jAtA hai| zuddha upayoga se hI cAritramoha kA kSaya hotA hai ! karma kriyA se nahIM baMdhatA, dhyAna se baMdhatA hai! pA~ca lAkha kA dAna puNya nahIM baMdhavAtA, parantu usa samaya bhItara dhyAna meM kyA thA ki meyara ke dabAva se dene par3e, nahIM to pA~ca rupaye bhI nahIM detA ! to vaha vaisA karma bAMdhatA hai| parantu pA~ca rupaye bhI nahIM dene haiM !!! dhyAna kA AdhAra kyA hai? bhItara kA 'DevalapamenTa' / dharma kyA? artha kyA? kAma aura mokSa kyA ? svArtha arthAt sAMsArika svArtha ko kahate haiM, vahA~ se lekara TheTha 24

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paramArtha taka kA artha, vaha svArtha hai| AtmA saMbaMdhI hI svArtha, vaha prmaarth| aise svArthI to sirpha AtmajJAnI puruSa hI hote haiM! sAMsArika svArtha meM le jAe vaha sakAma aura paramArtha meM le jAe vaha akaam| dharma arthAt kyA? saMsAra meM bhaTakAe vaha zubhadharma aura mokSa meM le jAe vaha shuddhdhrm| adharma ko dhakke mAranA, vaha zubhadharma hai| dAna, puNya, sevA, madada vagairaha puNya bAMdhate haiM, vaha rileTiva dharma hai| aura puNya-pApa se chur3avAe, vaha riyala dharma hai| mokSa arthAt saMsAra ke sarva baMdhanoM se mukta hokara siddhagati prApta karanA, vh| mukti ke kAmI ko isa jagat meM koI bAMdhanevAlA nahIM hai! isa jagat kA koI kartA nahIM hai, bhagavAna bhI nhiiN| mAtra sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa se jagat cala rahA hai| bAlakRSNa kI bhakti se vaikuMTha milatA hai| yogezvara kRSNa kI bhakti aura sacce jJAna kI prApti se mokSa milatA hai| kRSNa bhagavAna ne gItA meM 'maiM' zabda kA 'AtmA' ke lie hI upayoga kiyA hai, dehadhArI kRSNa ke lie nhiiN| dhyAna do prakAra ke haiM : eka paudgalika arthAt ki kuMDalinI kA, guru kA, maMtra vagairaha kA, vaha; aura dUsarA AtmA kA dhyaan| vaha nirvikalpa samAdhi meM le jAtA hai| nirvikalpa arthAt vikalparahita dazA aura nirvicAra arthAt vicAra rahita dazA! jJAnI ke alAvA nirvikalpa dazA dekhane ko hI nahIM milatI kahIM bhI! sAMkhya aura yoga, una donoM paMkhoM se ur3A jA sakatA hai| sAMkhya arthAt jJAna jaannaa| mana-vacana-kAyA, aMta:karaNa ke dharma ko jAnanA, vaha sAMkhya hai| yoga ke binA, (guru kI) mAnasika pUjA ke binA, U~cA nahIM car3hA jA sktaa| ziva arthAt kalyANa svruup| Adhi-vyAdhi aura upAdhi meM bhI samAdhi rahe, vaha saccI samAdhi! dhyAna meM jo prakAza dikhatA hai vaha jJeya hai aura use jAnanevAlA AtmA hai, aura AtmA jJAtA hai| 25

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manuSya jIvana kA hetu mukti prApti kA hai ! aura usake lie 'jJAnI puruSa' ko DhUMDhanA cAhie, aura ve mila jAe~ to kAma nikala jAe! zuddhAtmA aura saMyoga do hI haiM jagat meM, usameM bhI saMyoga mAtra viyogI svabhAva ke haiN| saMyoga sabhI arpaNa kara die to mokSa hotA hai ! jise ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna nahIM hote, use pUrA hI dina sAmAyika hai| akrama meM niraMtara sAmAyika raha sake, vaisA hai| ArtadhyAna - raudradhyAna jAe nahIM to usake lie 48 miniTa sAmAyika meM baiThakara ArtadhyAna - raudradhyAna se bilkula mukta raheM to vaha saccI sAmAyika kI kahI jaaegii| usake lie sAmAyika karane se pahale vidhi karanI par3atI hai ki 'he bhagavAna, maiM caMdUlAla, merA nAma, merI kAyA, merI jAta, merA mithyAtva, sabakucha Apako samarpaNa karatA huuN| abhI mujhe sAmAyika karate samaya vItarAga bhAva dIjie!!' jo tIrthaMkara honevAle haiM, unake lakSaNa kyA? niraMtara jagat kalyANa kI bhaavnaa| usake alAvA dUsarI koI bhI bhAvanA nahIM hotii| khAnA, pInA, rahanA, sonA cAhe jaisA mile, phira bhI kalyANabhAvanA niraMtara vaisI kI vaisI hI rahatI hai| khuda kA saMpUrNa kalyANa ho cukA hotA hai, vahI dUsaroM kA kalyANa kara sakate haiN| ve hI kalyANa kI bhAvanA kara sakate haiM! aura jo jJAnI kI AjJA meM niraMtara rahe, kRpApAtra bane, to vaha usa sTeja meM A sakatA hai! svastika kyA sUcita karatA hai? cAra paMkha cAra gati sUcita karate haiM aura madhya meM mokSa ! ye dikhate haiM, ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM haiM! Apako jo yAda Ate haiM, ve asala dAdA haiM! ye dikhate haiM, ve to e. ema. paTela haiM aura bhItara baiThe haiM, ve prakaTa paramAtma svarUpa 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM ! dehadhArI ko bhagavAna nahIM kaha skte| deha to nAzavaMta hai aura paramAtmA to paramAnenTa haiM, hamAre aMdara vyakta hue haiM dAdA bhagavAna ! sUrata ke sTezana kI baiMca para 1958 meM ! ! ! saMtoM kA vyavahAra zubhAzubha hotA hai / jJAnI kA zuddha vyavahAra hotA hai| jo vyavahAra pUrA hotA jAe, vaha zuddha huA kahA jAtA hai / 'jJAnI puruSa ' 26

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ko dehadhArI paramAtmA hI kahA jAtA hai ! jinakI eka bhI sthUla bhUla yA sUkSma bhUla nahIM hotI, ve 'jJAnI puruSa' kahalAte haiM / jabaradasta puNyAnubaMdhI puNya paripakva hoM taba aise 'jJAnI puruSa' se bheMTa hotI hai| isa kAla meM aise jJAnI ho cuke haiM, saMpUjya zrI dAdAzrI ! kaIyoM ko prazna hogA ki dAdA kA jJAna prApta karanA hai, parantu pUrva meM guru banAe hue haiM, unakA kyA? usake lie pUjya dAdAzrI yahA~ para kahate haiM ki unheM rahane denA, vyavahAra meM guru cAhie aura mokSa ke lie jJAnI cAhie / guru ve, jo sAMsArika dharma sikhalAe~ / ve saMta puruSa kahalAte haiM / azubha chur3avAte haiM aura zubha pakar3avAte haiM / AtmaprApti vahA~ para nahIM hotI, aura 'jJAnI puruSa' mokSa dete haiM, ghaMTebhara meM hI, naqada ! bhakta aura jJAnI meM kyA pharka hai? sevaka aura sevya jitanA ! jJAnI jabaradasta yazanAma karma lekara Ae hue hote haiN| unase logoM ke bhautika kAma bhI ho jAte haiM, parantu jJAnI usameM khuda kucha bhI nahIM karate haiN| jJAnI ke aMgUThe meM ahaMkAra vilIna karane kA solvenTa hotA hai aura usa jagaha se hI Apako jaldI tAra pahu~catA hai / eka samaya bhI parasamaya meM nahIM raheM, niraMtara svasamaya meM raheM, ve sarvajJa / dAdA ko sabhI karmoM kA abhAva hotA hai| pUjya dAdAzrI kahate ki hameM kevaLajJAna meM sirpha cAra DigrI kI hI kamI hai, kAla ke kAraNa ! mokSamArga meM pAtratA ke lie mAtra 'parama vinaya aura maiM kucha bhI nahIM jAnatA', vaha bhAva cAhie / jJAnI kA avinaya khuda ko hI mokSa ke aMtarAya DAlatA hai| jisa gA~va jAnA hai, usakA hI jJAna jAnane jaisA hai| usake alAvA dUsarA kucha bhI invAiTa karane jaisA nahIM hai / akrama vijJAna meM AratI, bhakti vagairaha kriyAe~ nahIM khlaatiiN| unameM khuda karttA nahIM banatA hai / judA rahakara karavAtA hai| isalie yahA~ para kisI vyakti kI bhakti nahIM hai, parantu khuda, 27

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khuda ke hI AtmA kI bhakti karatA hai / vaha khuda taba prajJA svarUpa meM hotA hai, ajJA to yahIM para khatma ho gii| saMpUjya dAdAzrI khuda bhI apane aMdaravAle dAdA ko donoM hAthoM se namaskAra karake aMdara baiThe hue 'dAdA bhagavAna ke asIma jaya jayakAra ho' gavAte the aura sabako bhI apane-apane bhItaravAle dAdA bhagavAna ke asIma jaya jayakAra bolane ko kahate the ! isIko parAbhakti kahate haiM! sunanevAlA aura bolanevAlA donoM satsaMga karate haiM, aisA yaha akrama vijJAna hai / dAdA bhagavAna kauna? jJAna - darzana - cAritra aura tapa ke AdhAra para jo anubhava meM Ate haiM, ve dAdA bhagavAna haiN| bAkI ye dikhate haiM, ve e. ema. paTela haiN| kala yaha bulabulA phaTa jAegA / AtmA sUkSmatama hai aura deha sthUla hai, jise loga jalA deMge / sthUla sUkSma ko kisa taraha jalA sakatA hai? aise hI dAdA bhagavAna Apake, hamAre, sabhI ke aMdara birAjamAna haiM, jo caudaha lokoM ke nAtha haiM aura ve Apa khuda hI ho !!! DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna 28

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AtmA, Atmadharma meM.... dRSTi - mithyA aura samyak viparIta jJAna dravyacora bhAvacora samyak jJAna saMsArapravAha vyavahAra AtmA : nizcaya AtmA karttApana kA mithyAtva vaLagaNa kise ? 20 Atmasukha kA lakSaNa prakRti kare Ter3hA : puruSa kare sIdhA 21 vedanIya udaya-jJAnajAgRti vItarAgoM kI rIti 23 prakRti kA satAnA abhiprAya khatma karo yamarAja vaza barate vaha ... 24 tarIkA badalo, vedana kA yAda Ae~, vaha parigraha svarUpajJAna kI prApti parama vinaya dAdA ke darabAra kA vinaya samajha kI zreNiyA~ pApoM kA prAyazcita 1 -- - anukramaNikA 1 mRtyu samaya kI avasthAe~....... 13 pretayoni 14 siddhAtmA aura siddhapuruSa jJAnI kA azAtA udaya jagat meM adhyAtma jAgRti adhyAtma meM invenzana mokSa ke adhikArI mata cUko yaha aMtima maukA AyuSya kA eksaTenzana 50 51 52 53 59 60 62 62 63 64 67 67 68 72 29 citta kI zuddhatA - sanAtana vastu meM ekatA73 30 Ar3AIyA~ 74 31 AtmA 76 76 78 80 81 15 zuddhAtmA kA darzana 16 z2indagI kyA hai? 18 mokSamArga 19 jJAnI kI virAdhanA 25 samyak tapa 27 mokSa kA mArga hai zUravIroM kA.... 28 mahAvIra kA vedana - svasaMvedana 32 galana kA rahasya sukha kA zodhana 33 vicAroM meM nirtanmayatA 35 go Tu dAdA ! jApa kisakA? jJAnI milane ke bAda sAdhanoM kI nirarthakatA35 sadvartana kI nApasaMdagI akrama mArga mokSa 36 saMsArAnugAmI buddhi aMtara kA bhedana hue binA upaje nahIM aMtaradRSTi eka yA pratyeka ? AuTara buddhi-inara buddhi 37 paravazatA adhyAtma aura bauddhikatA 38 AdhAra - AdhArI avasthA meM asvastha, sva meM svastha 40 karttAbhAva, vahI kusaMga 41 jisakA nididhyAsana karo.... 42 adhyAtma kA vAtAvaraNa 43 vikalpoM se saMsAra meM karmabIja 46 vijJAna dvArA mukti 47 sApekSa vyavahAra 47 vinaya aura parama vinaya 29 82 83 86 89 90 91 92 92 94 96 97

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131 132 135 141 145 mithyAbhAsa 98 AsvAdana?!!! sahajatA aura dehAdhyAsa 99 mitra zatru yA zatru mitra? virahI kI vedanA 102 sAdhanA, sAdhyabhAva se-sAdhanabhAva se133 saccidAnaMda svarUpa 103 pUraNa-galana aura paramAtmA 135 prazasta moha 104 jJAnI kI kRpA mana, virodhAbhAsI 105 zAstroM kA paThana 136 zaMkA kA udbhavasthAna 106 dravya na palaTe, bhAva badale to... 137 buddhimArga-abudhamArga 108 ahaMkAra kA lAbha! 139 jJAnI kI AjJA - pratyakSa mokSa vartanA 109 igolesa' karane kI z2arUrata nahIM...139 jJAnI, bAlaka jaise 110 ajJAna kA AdhAra 140 opana mAinDa 110 saMsAra kA 'rUTa kaoNz2a' 141 yogasAdhanA se paramAtmadarzana 111 lakSmI kI liMka sAkSIbhAva 112 mikenikala cetana 144 roke jIva svacchaMda to... 112 citta aura aMtarAtmA jJAna, darzana aura vartana 113 vRtti bahe nija bhAva meM 146 dharma kI dukAneM 117citta aura prajJA 146 sAvadhAna, anukUla meM 118 dAdAzrI - kalI ko khilAte haiM 147 baMdha - nirjarA 118 bhUkha lagI? bujhAo! 149 deva-deviyoM kA vicaraNa 119 TakarAva se aTakaNa 151 dharma : adharma - vaha eka kalpanA 120sthitaprajJa kaba kahalAte haiM? 153 mukti kA sAdhana - zAstra yA jJAnI? 120vicAroM dvArA karma kaTa sakate haiM? 153 kahA~ vItarAga mArga aura kahA~... 122 karmoM kI nirjarA-jJAniyoM kA tarIkA! 153 puNya kA rAhabara 123 zuddha upayoga se abaMdha dazA 155 jahA~ kaSAya vahA~ saMsAra 124 karma kA Ayojana - kriyA yA dhyAna? 156 vRddhoM kI vyathA 125 dharma, artha, kAma aura mokSa 157 akrama mArga se akaSAyAvasthA 126 chUTane kA kAmI 160 satsaMga kI AvazyakatA 126 bhakti, yoga aura dhyAna niyativAda 127 asaMyogI, vahI mokSa 167 zuddha cidrUpa 128 saccI sAmAyika 168 nir-ahaMkAra se nirAkulatA 128 maMdiroM kA mahatva 171 AdhAra-AdhArI saMbaMdha 129 aMtima pala meM rAmanAma 172 akarttApada dvArA manomukti 13deg dAdA bhagavAna kauna? 172 aMtima darzana 13degkhuda apanI hI bhakti 182 esiDa kA barna yA mukti kA

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AptavANI zreNI - 5 AtmA, Atmadharma meM... dAdAzrI : AtmA kyA kArya karatA hai? praznakartA : AtmA to jJAtA-dRSTA hai| dAdAzrI : parantu Apa to kahate ho na ki 'maiM sunatA huuN'| Apa AtmA ho yA sunanevAle ho? praznakartA : 'maiM AtmA huuN|' dAdAzrI : parantu AtmA to sunatA nahIM hai, kAna hI sunate haiM na? praznakartA : pudgala (jisakA sarjana aura vinAza ho) kA aura AtmA kA saMyoga huA hai na? / dAdAzrI : parantu AtmA sunatA hogA yA kAna? praznakartA : AtmA sunatA hai, kAna to jar3a haiN| dAdAzrI : to phira bahare ko bulAkara pUcha lo na? bahare meM AtmA nahIM hai? to kauna sunatA hai? praznakartA : AtmA nahIM ho to pudgala kI koI bhI indriya kAma nahIM kregii| dAdAzrI : upasthiti ke kAraNa to yaha jIvana kahalAtA hai, parantu

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AptavANI-5 kAna sunate haiM yA AtmA? yadi AtmA suna sakatA to baharA vyakti bhI suna sktaa| to kaho aba ki 'kauna sunatA hai?' praznakartA : kAna dvArA sunAI detA hai, parantu yadi cetana tatva ho to! dAdAzrI : aba cetana tatva to kabhI bhI kucha sunatA hI nahIM hai| vaha to jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI hai! anaMtajJAna, anaMtadarzana, anaMtazakti, anaMtacAritra usameM hai ! taba kyA sunane kA guNa AtmA meM hai, aisA Apa mAna sakate ho? AtmA sunatA hI nahIM hai| AtmA meM sunane kA guNa hI nahIM hai| jaise isa sone meM jaMga lagane kA guNa nahIM hai, vaise hI AtmA meM sunane kA guNa nahIM hai| bolane kA bhI guNa nahIM hai| praznakartA : parantu caitanyatatva ho, taba kAna suneMge na? dAdAzrI : caitanyatatva kI hAz2irI se hI yaha sArA jagat cala rahA hai| yadi caitanyatatva isa zarIra meM nahIM ho, AtmA nahIM ho to yaha zarIra khatma ho jAe, parantu vaha cetanyatatva yaha nahIM sunatA hai| praznakartA : to kauna sunatA hai, vaha Apa smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : bAta to samajhanI hI par3egI na? yadi aisA kaheM ki 'AtmA sunatA hai' to, 'AtmA bolatA hai, mere AtmA kI AvAz2a bolatI hai', aisA kahA jaaegaa| laukika bhASA meM kaisA bhI calane deM, parantu bhagavAna kI alaukika bhASA meM vaha eksepTa (svIkAra) nahIM hogaa| yaha Apake sAtha bAta kara rahe haiM, vaha kauna bola rahA hai? praznakartA : Apa bola rahe haiN| dAdAzrI : 'dAdA bhagavAna' bola rahe haiM, to yaha 'TeparikaoNrDara' bhI bolatA hai, aura yaha do haz2Ara meM milatA hai yAnI 'dAdA bhagavAna' kI qImata do haz2Ara kI huI!!! praznakartA : yaha isa bAre meM Apa smjhaaie|

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : yaha 'dAdA bhagavAna' nahIM bola rahe hai, yaha to 'orijinala TeparikaoNrDara' bola rahA hai / yaha 'akrama vijJAna' hai / kahIM bhI sunI nahIM ho, vaisI yaha bAta hai ! ataH yaha jo sunate haiM, vaha kAna kA dharma hai / baharA manuSya ho use hama kyA kahate haiM ki kAna unake dharma meM nahIM hai / aba A~kha kA dharma kyA hai? praznakartA : dekhanA / dAdAzrI : hA~, AtmA kA dharma dekhane kA nahIM hai| nAka kA dharma kyA hai? praznakartA : sUMghanA / dAdAzrI : jIbha kA dharma kyA hai? praznakartA : cakhanA / dAdAzrI : isalie kaisA bhI kar3avA jIbha para rakho ki turanta hI patA cala jAtA hai| arthAt ye pA~coM indriyA~ apane-apane dharmoM meM haiN| aba usI prakAra hI pA~ca jJAnendriyA~ apane-apane dharma meM haiM / dravyendriyA~ aura bhAvendriyA~ donoM haiN| dravyendriyA~ khatma ho jAe~, taba bhI bhItara bhAvendriyA~ rahatI haiN| isalie pA~ca dravyendriyA~ aura bhAvendriyA~ sabhI apane-apane dharma meM hI haiN| mana apane dharma meM hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : vaha samajha meM nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : mana hamezA socatA rahatA hai / vicAroM kA silasilA cale taba use hama mana kahate haiN| mana do prakAra ke vicAra karatA hai| kharAba vicAra karatA hai aura acche vicAra bhI karatA hai / arthAt donoM prakAra ke vicAra karane, vaha mana kA dharma hai aura vicAra hI yadi nahIM Ate hoM to use

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AptavANI-5 'ebasenTa mAinDeDa' kahate haiN| aba pAgala ko bhI 'mAinDa' hotA hai, para 'ebasenTa mAinDeDa' arthAt jIva yoni meM se bekAra ho cukA kahA jaaegaa| aba yahA~ se surendranagara ApakA ghara Apako dikhatA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : hA~, dikhatA hai| dAdAzrI : aura ghara meM Tebala kurasiyA~, saba dikhatA hai kyA? praznakartA : hA~, dikhatA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha mana kA dharma nahIM hai| apane yahA~ ke loga nahIM samajhane ke kAraNa use mana samajhate haiN| aba vAstava meM mana nahIM jAtA hai, parantu citta jAtA hai| mana zarIra se bAhara nikala hI nahIM sktaa| bAhara jo bhaTakatA hai, vaha citta hai| praznakartA : citta aura mana, ve donoM alaga-alaga haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, citta aura mana donoM alaga-alaga hI haiN| laukika bhASA meM kucha bhI boleM, parantu bhagavAna kI bhASA lokottara bhASA hai| use jaba taka hama nahIM samajheMge taba taka kabhI bhI mokSa nahIM hogaa| arthAt citta bAhara bhaTakatA hai| yahA~ para hI rahate hue bhI citta ApakA ghara, Tebala, ghar3I saba dekha letA hai aura mana kA svabhAva sirpha vicAra karane kA hI hai| mana acche-bure vicAra karatA hai aura acchA dekhanA, burA dekhanA vaha citta kA dharma hai| praznakartA : citta ko jar3a kahanA cAhie yA cetana kahanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vaha mizracetana hai, vaha vAstava meM zuddha cetana nahIM hai aura mana to bilkula jar3a hai| aba buddhi apane dharma meM hai| buddhi kA kAma kyA hai ki fAyadA aura nukasAna dikhAtI hai| Apa gAr3I meM baiThe ki turanta buddhi dikhAtI hai ki vaha jagaha acchI hai, aura dukAna meM jAo, vahA~ para fAyadA-nukasAna dikhAtI hai|

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AptavANI-5 mujhe buddhi fAyadA-nukasAna nahIM dikhAtI, kyoMki mujhameM buddhi nahIM hai, vaha bahuta kama, nahIM ke barAbara buddhi hai| 360 DigrI para saMpUrNa bhagavAna kahalAte haiM aura ye 'paTela' 356 DigrI para haiN| inameM cAra DigrI kama haiM, isalie ye judA hue, nahIM to 'ye' bhI 'mahAvIra' hI kahalAte! __ arthAt isa buddhi kA dharma fAyadA-nukasAna dikhAnA hai| gAr3I meM, kisIke sAtha saudA kare usameM yA kar3hI kA patIlA gira gayA, to turanta buddhi apanA dharma adA karatI hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : hA~, karatI hai| dAdAzrI : aba buddhi kA isake alAvA eka dharma aura bhI hai, vaha kyA hai ki buddhi 'DisIz2ana' letI hai| hAlA~ki 'DisIz2ana' lene kA buddhi kA svataMtra dharma nahIM hai| buddhi 'DisAiDa' karatI hai, usa para ahaMkAra hastAkSara kara de, tabhI vaha pUrA hotA hai| ahaMkAra kI svIkRti ke binA DisIz2ana rUpaka meM AtA hI nahIM hai| ___ arthAt isa aMta:karaNa meM 'pArliyAmenTarI' paddhati hai| usake cAra 'membara' haiN| mana-buddhi-citta aura ahNkaar| yadi mana aura buddhi eka ho gae to ahaMkAra ko svIkRti denI hI par3atI hai| citta aura buddhi eka ho gae to bhI ahaMkAra ko svIkRti denI hI par3atI hai| yAnI jisake pakSa meM tInoM gae usakI bAta mAnya hotI hai| ye saMpUrNa tatvajJAna kI bAteM haiN| parantu vaha Apako ApakI buddhi se samajha meM AnA caahie| Apako jJAna to nahIM hai na? praznakartA : jJAna to hai na! dAdAzrI : Apa jJAna kise kahate ho? praznakartA : jJAna arthAt samajha? dAdAzrI : jJAna arthAt samajha nahIM, jJAna arthAt prkaash| yadi prakAza Apake pAsa ho to Thokara nahIM lagegI (ciMtA, kaSAya, matabheda nahIM hoNge)|

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AptavANI-5 pyAle phUTa jAe~ yA kucha bhI ho, phira bhI Apa para asara nahIM hogaa| Apako asara hotA hai? 6 praznakartA : hA~, hotA hai / dAdAzrI : to vaha prakAza nahIM hai| yaha to pUrA a~dherA hai| aba, ahaMkAra kA dharma kyA hai? praznakartA : ahambhAva rakhanA, vh| I dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jahA~ dekhe vahA~ para aham, 'maiMne kiyA' karatA hai basa! ahaMkAra sirpha ahaMkAra hI karatA rahatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA, maiMne bhogA ! ' yaha Ama khAyA, usa viSaya ko jIbha bhogatI hai, buddhi bhogatI hai yA ahaMkAra bhogatA hai? praznakartA : ahaMkAra bhogatA hai / dAdAzrI : aba jIbha svAda letI hai aura ahaMkAra sirpha kahatA hai ki 'maiMne aisA kiyA!' AtmA meM ahaMkAra nAma kI koI vastu hI nahIM hai, parantu yaha khar3I ho gaI hai, aura apane-apane dharma meM hI hai phira ! ahaMkAra karane kI jagaha para niraMtara ahaMkAra karatA hI rahatA hai / koI ahaMkAra para coTa kare, apamAna kare to turanta ahaMkAra bhagna ho jAtA hai yA nahIM ho jAtA? mAna-apamAna donoM kA asara hotA hai na? yAnI ahaMkAra, ahaMkAra ke dharma meM hai| yAnI kAna, kAna ke dharma meM hai, A~kha, A~kha ke dharma meM hai, nAka, nAka ke dharma meM hai, saba apane-apane dharma meM haiM / aba mahAvIra bhagavAna ke bhI A~kheM, kAna, nAka sabhI apane-apane dharma meM the| unakA bhI mana, mana ke dharma meM, citta, citta ke dharma meM thA / unakI buddhi aura ahaMkAra khatma ho cuke the / ApameM bhI ye saba apane-apane dharma meM hI haiN| sirpha 'AtmA' hI apane dharma meM nahIM hai / 'AtmA' apane khuda ke dharma meM A jAe to buddhi aura ahaMkAra khatma ho jAe~ge / usakA kAraNa Apako samajhAtA huuN|

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AptavANI-5 AtmA aura buddhi meM farka hai yA nahIM? AtmA, vaha prakAza hai aura buddhi bhI prakAza hai| buddhi 'inDAyarekTa' prakAza hai, aura AtmA to 'DAyarekTa' prakAza hai| 'inDAyarekTa' prakAza arthAt sUrya kA prakAza darpaNa para par3A aura darpaNa meM se prakAza rasoIghara meM gyaa| yaha 'inDAyarekTa' prakAza huaa| usI taraha AtmA kA prakAza ahaMkAra para par3atA hai aura vahA~ se bAhara nikalatA hai, use buddhi kahate haiN| darpaNa kI jagaha para ahaMkAra hai aura sUrya kI jagaha para AtmA hai| AtmA mUla prakAzavAna hai| saMpUrNa sva-para prakAzaka hai| vaha para ko prakAzita karatA hai aura svayaM ko bhI prakAzita karatA hai| AtmA sabhI jJeyoM ko prakAzita karatA hai| arthAt ahaMkAra ke 'mIDiyama' (mAdhyama) se buddhi khar3I ho gaI hai| ahaMkAra kA mIDiyama khatma ho jAe to buddhi nahIM rhegii| phira DAyarekTa prakAza aaegaa| mujhe DAyarekTa prakAza milatA hai| Apako aba kyA karanA bAkI rahA? ahaMkAra aura buddhi ko khatma karanA rhaa| aba vaha khatma kisa taraha se hoMge? 'AtmA' khuda ke dharma meM A jAe to ve donoM nikala jaaeNge| dUsare sabhI to apane-apane dharma meM hI haiM, aura kucha bhI badalane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| aba 'AtmA' ko khuda ke dharma meM lAne ke lie kyA karoge? usake lie kyA sAdhana cAhie? praznakartA : rAga-dveSa kama ho jAne caahie| dAdAzrI : yaha a~gUThI hai| usake aMdara tAMbe kA miksacara hai| aba hama kisIse bhI kaheM ki isameM se sonA aura tAMbA alaga kara do, to vaha kara sakegA kyA? praznakartA : nahIM kara skegaa| dAdAzrI : aisA kyoM? praznakartA : vaha to sunAra kA hI kAma hai| dAdAzrI : dUsare saba manA karate haiM ki yaha hamArA kAma nahIM hai|

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AptavANI-5 arthAt yadi AtmA jAnanA ho to AtmA ke jAnakAra hone cAhie / praznakartA : 'sat puruSa' rUpI sunAra hone caahie| dAdAzrI : nahIM, sat puruSa to 'ina' sabhI mahAtmAoM ko kahA jAtA hai| sat puruSa kise kahate haiM ki sat jisane prApta kiyA hai aura puruSArtha dharma meM A cuke haiM ve| sat arthAt avinAzI / sat puruSa khuda kA avinAzI pada prApta kara cuke hote haiM / 'maiM AtmA hU~' aisI pratIti, jAgRti ho cukI hotI hai| parantu ve sat puruSa hI kahalAte haiM, 'jJAnI puruSa' nahIM kahalAte / 'kramika' meM sat puruSa ke lie tyAgAtyAga saMbhava hai, 'jJAnI puruSa' ko tyAgAtyAga saMbhava nahIM hai ! 'jJAnI puruSa' to dUsaroM ko mokSa kA dAna dete haiM! dUsaroM ko jJAnamaya banAte haiM !! zrImad rAjacaMdra ne 'jJAnI' ko mokSadAtA puruSa kahA hai| 'ye' sabhI mokSa meM rahate z2arUra haiM, parantu dUsaroM ko mokSa nahIM de skte| unheM AtmA kI pratIti aura lakSya hI huA hai / AtmA kA aspaSTa vedana unheM rahatA hai| isameM to AtmA kA spaSTa vedana jise hai vaise 'jJAnI puruSa' caahie| unheM kahIM bhI AtmA ke alAvA aura kucha bhI dikhatA hI nahIM hai| unheM isa jagat meM koI doSita dikhatA hI nahIM hai| jeba kATanevAlA bhI doSita nahIM dikhatA aura dAna denevAlA bhI doSita nahIM dikhtaa| phira bhI Apa mujhe aisA pUcho ki 'ye donoM eka samAna kahalAe~ge ?' taba maiM kahU~gA ki, 'ye dAna denevAlA hai vaha jo kriyA kara rahA hai, usakA phala vaha bhogegaa| aura jo jeba kATa rahA hai, vaha jo kriyA kara rahA hai, usakA phala vaha bhogegA, bAkI doSita koI nahIM hai / praznakartA : doSita kyoM nahIM kahalAe~ge? dAdAzrI : ve saba saMyoga ke anusAra karate haiN| acchA karanevAlA bhI saMyoga ke anusAra karatA hai aura kharAba karanevAlA bhI saMyoga ke anusAra karatA hai T 8 aba, AtmA ko Atmadharma meM lAne ke lie mokSadAtA puruSa kI z2arUrata pdd'egii|

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AptavANI-5 kRpAludeva ne apanI pUrI pustaka ke sAra meM kahA hai ki, 'aura kucha bhI mata DhU~Dha, mAtra eka sat puruSa ko DhU~Dhakara unake caraNakamala meM sarva bhAva arpaNa karake baratatA jaa| phira yadi mokSa nahIM mile, to mere pAsa se le lenaa|' arthAt hameM yadi mokSa nahIM mile to ve 'jJAnI puruSa' nahIM haiN| praznakartA : AtmA khuda ke dharma meM A gayA, usakA pramANa kyA? dAdAzrI : yaha saba 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aura yaha 'maiM hU~' ye jo roMga bilIfa par3I huI haiM, ve calI jAtI haiN| abhI to Apako 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, isa strI kA pati hU~, isa bacce kA phAdara hU~, isakA mAmA hU~, mUMgaphalI kA vyApArI hU~' aisI kitanI sArI roMga bilIfa Apako hoMgI? praznakartA : asNkhy| dAdAzrI : aba itanI sArI roMga bilIfa kaba jAe~gI? AtmA khuda ke guNadharma meM A jAe to ye sArI 'roMga bilIfa' calI jaaeNgii| 'roMga bilIfa' khatma ho jAe~gI aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiTha jaaegii| 'rAiTa bilIfa' ko samyak darzana kahate haiN| 'jJAnI puruSa' AtmA ko usake dharma meM lA dete haiM, jabaki bAkI saba to apane-apane dharma meM hai hii| jaba Apako apane Atmadharma meM Ane kI icchA ho, taba yahA~ para A jaanaa| 'hama' use dharma meM le aaeNge| AtmA khuda ke dharma meM A jAe, to dUsarA sabakucha chUTa jAtA hai| cAra veda kyA kahate hai? 'disa iz2a noTa deTa, disa iz2a noTa deTa!' (yaha vaha nahIM hai, yaha vaha nahIM hai!) tU jisa AtmA ko DhU~Dha rahA hai vaha vedoM meM nahIM hai, 'go TU jnyaanii|' (jJAnI ke pAsa jaao|) AtmA pustaka meM utArA jA sake vaisA nahIM hai, kyoMki AtmA ni:zabda hai, avarNanIya hai, avyaktavya hai| vaha zAstroM meM kisa taraha samAegA? zrImad rAjacaMdra ne bhI kahA hai ki jJAna, jJAnI ke pAsa hai aura unake binA ApakA chuTakArA kabhI bhI nahIM ho sktaa| isalie 'jJAnI' kI hI

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10 AptavANI-5 isameM z2arUrata hai| caubIsa tIrthaMkara kahate Ae haiM ki AtmajJAna ke lie nimitta kI z2arUra hai| 'jJAnI' kartA nahIM hote| maiM yadi kartA hoU~, to mujhe karma ba~dhege aura Apa nimitta mAno to Apako pUrA-pUrA lAbha nahIM hogaa| mujhe to 'maiM nimitta hU~' aisA mAnanA hai aura Apako 'jJAnI dvArA huA' aisA vinaya rakhanA hai! hara kisIkI bhASA alaga hotI hai na? parama vinaya se mokSa hai| AtmA prApta ho gayA, khuda ke svabhAva meM A gayA, jAgRta ho gayA, khuda ke dharma meM A gayA, phira bAkI kyA rahA? bAkI saba to dharma meM hai hI, sirpha AtmA hI dharma meM nahIM thaa| praznakartA : 'jJAna' milane ke bAda dAdA, yaha zarta hara eka ko qabUla ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : 'jJAna' milane ke bAda to apane Apa qabUla hogI hI na? 'jJAna' milane se pahale kisIko bhI qabUla nahIM hotii| phira kisalie qabUla ho jAtI hai, vaha Apako samajhAtA huuN| yaha jalebI khilAne ke bAda cAya pilAe~ to usameM kyA farka AtA hai? praznakartA : cAya kA svAda phIkA lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha maiM Apake AtmA ko usake svabhAva meM arthAt use khuda ke guNadharma meM le AtA huuN| isalie ye dUsare saba viSaya phIke lagane se Asakti khatma ho jAtI hai| aba pahale se hI yadi Apako Asakti khatma karane ko kaheM to? praznakartA : to yahA~ koI AegA hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : isalie pahale AtmA ko Atmadharma meM lAnA caahie| akrama meM pahale yaha hai| jaba ki kramika meM pahale Asakti nikAlanI hai| praznakartA : arthAt adharma nikAlanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : adharma zabda kI hameM z2arUrata nahIM hai| adharma kyA hai?

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AptavANI-5 11 dharma kA virodhI zabda hai| burA karanA - vaha adharma, aura acchA karanA - vaha dharma hai| parantu donoM karttAbhAva meM haiM aura isa AtmA kA to svAbhAvika dharma hai, sahaja dharma hai| aba AtmA khuda ke dharma meM A jAe taba phira usakI patnI ho, usakA kyA hogA? use kyA nikAla degA? praznakartA : nahIM, parantu usa para se Asakti kama karanI pdd'egii| dAdAzrI : usake lie phira kartA bananA pdd'egaa| praznakartA : to vaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : Atmadharma meM Ane ke bAda 'bAya rileTiva vyU poinTa', 'Apa caMdrabhAI ho, isa strI ke pati ho, isa bacce ke phAdara ho|' aura 'bAya riyala vyU poinTa' Apa zuddhAtmA ho| 'da varlDa iz2a da paz2ala iTaselpha, gaoNDa hez2a noTa paz2alDa disa varlDa eTa oNl|' (saMsAra eka pahelI hai| bhagavAna ne isa saMsAra ko pahelI nahIM banAyA hai|) yadi paramAtmA ne 'paz2ala' kiyA hotA to unheM yahA~ para bulAnA par3atA aura daMDa denA par3atA ki Apane ina logoM ko kisalie ulajhAyA? yAnI ki bhagavAna ne yaha jagat nahIM ulAjhAyA hai| 'maiM AtmA hU~, maiM AtmA hU~', aise zabda bolane se kucha nahIM hotA hai| vaha to bhagavAna kI kRpA utAranI par3atI hai, usake bAda hI Apa mokSagAmI banate ho| aba yahA~ para mokSagAmI arthAt kyA? isa janma meM sIdhA mokSa nahIM hai| parantu yahA~ para ajJAnamukti hotI hai| do prakAra kI mukti hai : pahale ajJAnamukti arthAt AtmA, AtmasvabhAva meM A gayA, vaha ! dUsarI hai-vaha hai, saMpUrNa dehamukti, siddhagati milatI hai vaha! yahA~ se ekAvatArI ho sakatA hai! ajJAnamukti ho usase fAyadA kyA hotA hai? saMsArI duHkhoM kA abhAva rahA karatA hai! manuSya kyA DhU~DhatA hai? praznakartA : duHkhoM kA abhaav|

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12 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : AtmA svabhAva se sukhiyA hI hai aura phira duHkha kA abhAva huA, phira rahA kyA? praznakartA : AtmA jAnane kI kucha cAbiyA~ to hoMgI na? dAdAzrI : cAbI-vAbI kucha bhI nahIM hotI ! jJAnI ke pAsa jAkara kaha denA ki, 'sAhaba! maiM beakkala, bilkula mUrkha hU~! anaMta janmoM se bhaTakA, parantu AtmA kA eka aMza bhI, bAla jitanA AtmA bhI maiMne jAnA nahIM! isalie Apa kucha kRpA kareM aura merA itanA kAma kara dIjie!' basa itanA hI karanA hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' to mokSa kA dAna dene ke lie hI Ae haiN| aura bAda meM loga phira zora macAte haiM ki vyavahAra kA kyA hogA? AtmA jAnane ke bAda jo bAkI rahA vaha sArA hI vyavahAra hai| aura vyavahAra kA bhI 'jJAnI puruSa' phira 'jJAna' dete haiN| pA~ca AjJA dete haiM, ki 'ye merI pA~ca AjJA paalnaa| jA, terA vyavahAra bhI zuddha aura nizcaya bhI shuddh| jokhimadArI saba hmaarii| mokSa yahIM se anubhava meM AnA caahie| yahA~ se hI nahIM barate vaha saccA mokSa nahIM hai| mujhase milane ke bAda yadi phira yahA~ se mokSa nahIM barate to ye jJAnI sacce nahIM haiM aura mokSa bhI saccA nahIM hai| mokSa yahIM para, isa pA~cave Are (kAlacakra kA eka bhAga) meM hI anubhava honA cAhie, yahA~ para hI isa koTa-TopI ke sAtha! vahA~ barategA usakA to kyA ThikAnA?' praznakartA : kyA AtmA ke alaga-alaga prakAra hote haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA eka hI prakAra kA hotA hai| praznakartA : to AtmA ko rAga-dveSa lagate hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| AtmA ko rAga-dveSa nahIM lgte| yaha to vibhAva utpanna hotA hai| jo guNa khuda meM nahIM hai, vaha vibhAva kahalAtA hai| AtmA khuda svabhAva se vItarAga hI hai| usameM rAga-dveSa kA guNa hai hI nhiiN| yaha to bhA~ti se aisA lagatA hai|

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AptavANI-5 13 praznakartA : yaha jo janma-maraNa kA cakra calatA hai, usakA AtmA para asara hone se 'kaoNz2ez2a' hote haiM, vaha sahI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| AtmA para asara nahIM hotA hai| AtmA kA svabhAva badalatA hI nhiiN| use sirpha 'roMga bilIfa' hI baiThatI hai| praznakartA : 'roMga bilIfa' kisa taraha baiTha gaI? dAdAzrI : khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM rahA isalie ina logoM ne dUsarA bhAna biThAyA aura vaha jJAna phiTa ho gyaa| isalie loga kahate haiM usake anusAra use zraddhA baiTha gaI ki vAstava meM 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aura ye sAre loga bhI 'eksepTa' karate haiN| aise karate-karate 'bilIfa' kisI bhI prakAra se 'phrekcara' hotI hI nhiiN| AtmA meM kucha bhI badalAva nahIM hotaa| AtmA to sau pratizata zuddha sone jaisA hI rahatA hai| sone meM tAMbe kI milAvaTa ho jAe usase sonA bigar3a nahIM jAtA! dRSTi - mithyA aura samyak dAdAzrI : yaha ulTI dRSTi hai, mithyAdRSTi hai, usase hI ye duHkha utpanna hue haiN| aura samakita arthAt sIdhI dRsstti| kabhI bhI ApakI dRSTi sIdhI huI thI kyA? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : pUrA saMsArakAla ghUma cuke, phira bhI eka kSaNa ke lie bhI sIdhI dRSTi nahIM huii| kyA nAma hai ApakA? praznakartA : cNduubhaaii| dAdAzrI : 'Apa caMdUbhAI ho', yaha bAta saca hai? praznakartA : mithyAtva lagatA hai, ahampada lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : to phira Apa kauna ho? praznakartA : usakA khyAla nahIM aataa|

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14 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : to abhI taka kyoM vaha jAnA nahIM? praznakartA : hamezA yahI ulajhana hotI thI ki 'maiM kauna hU~', parantu usakA patA nahIM calatA thaa| dAdAzrI : 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~, isa strI kA pati hU~, isakA phAdara hU~, isakA mAmA, cAcA', ve saba 'roMga bilIfa' haiN| ve 'roMga bilIfa' 'jJAnI puruSa' 'phrekcara' kara dete haiM aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' biThA dete haiN| taba hameM samakita dRSTi milI kahalAtI hai|! viparIta jJAna - samyak jJAna pahale viparIta jJAna jAnane kA prayatna thA, usase baMdhana meM A jAte haiN| aba samyak jJAna jAnane kA prayatna hai| yaha 'khuda kA' hai| isase svataMtra huA jAtA hai| vaha bhI jJAna hai isalie jAnane kA 'TesTa' AtA hai (ruci hotI hai), parantu vaha parAvalaMbI hai, kisIkA avalaMbana lenA par3atA hai| aura samyak jJAna khuda ko svasukha denevAlA hai, svAvalaMbanavAlA aura svataMtra banAnevAlA hai| praznakartA : jJAna to eka hI prakAra kA hotA hai na? AtmA hI jJAna hai, to phira viparIta jJAna aura yaha jJAna alaga-alaga kaise ho sakate hai? dAdAzrI : viparIta arthAt jisakI z2arUrata nahIM hai, usa jJAna meM pdd'e| praznakartA : parantu use jJAna kaheMge? dAdAzrI : jJAna hI kaheMge na? ajJAna kisa AdhAra para kahA hai? ki 'yaha hitakArI nahIM hai', isalie ajJAna kahA hai| praznakartA : isalie use ajJAna hI kaheMge na? jJAna nahIM kaheMge na? dAdAzrI : jagat kI dRSTi se to sabhI jJAna hI hai na? jo sAMsArika sabakucha jAnane kA prayatna hai, vaha mithyA jJAna hai| ulTI zraddhA baiThI isalie ulTA jJAna utpanna hotA hai aura ulTA cAritra utpanna

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AptavANI-5 hotA hai| usakA svAda bhI milatA hai aura usakI mAra bhI par3atI hai| vaha rAga-dveSavAlA jJAna hai aura yaha vItarAgI jJAna hai| yaha jAnane-dekhane ke sAtha hI vItarAgatA rahatI hai aura use jAnate aura dekhate hI rAga-dveSa hote haiN| dravyacora - bhAvacora mana pichale avatAra kA saMkucita phoTo hai| eka manuSya 'oNfisara' (adhikArI) hotA hai| usakI 'vAipha' use kahe ki 'Apa rizvata nahIM lete haiN| ye sabhI loga lete haiM aura unhoMne baMgale banavA lie|' aba aisA bahuta bAra ho to vaha mana meM nizcita karatA hai ki are, maiM bhI lU~gA aba se! parantu rizvata lene jAe, usase pahale hI vaha kA~pa jAtA hai, aura lI nahIM jA sktii| mana sirpha nizcita karatA hai ki aba se lo| arthAt usane bhAva badalA, parantu usase pUrI z2indagI liyA nahIM jA sakatA kyoMki pahale ke jJAna ke AdhAra para mana hai| mana, vaha gatajJAna kA phala hai| aba abhI nayA jJAna utpanna kiyA ki rizvata lenI caahie| vaha jJAna aba use agale janma meM rizvata lene degaa| dUsarA oNfisara ho vaha isa janma meM rizvata letA hai, parantu mana meM use aise bhAva hote raheM ki, 'ye rizvata lete haiM vaha galata haiN| aisA kyoM letA hU~?' usase agale janma meM rizvata nahIM lI jaaegii| aura eka paisA bhI nahIM letA phira bhI lene ke bhAva hai, use bhagavAna pakar3ate hai| vaha agale janma meM cora banegA aura saMsAra kA vistAra kregaa| praznakartA : aura jo pachatAvA karatA hai, vaha chUTa rahA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha chUTa rahA hai| isalie vahA~ kudarata ke ghara para nyAya alaga prakAra kA hai| yaha jaisA dikhatA hai vaisA vahA~ para nahIM hai, vaha bAta ApakI samajha meM A rahI hai? praznakartA : arthAt bhAva bhI nikAla denA cAhie, aisA? dAdAzrI : bhAva hI nikAla denA hai| bhAva kI hI uThApaTaka hai, yaha

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AptavANI-5 vastu kI bAta nahIM hai| haqIqata meM kyA huA, usase lenA-denA nahIM hai bhagavAna ke vhaaN| bhAva - vaha 'cArja' hai, aura jo vAstava meM hotA hai vaha 'DiscArja' hai| praznakartA : 'akrama jJAna' meM bhAva kA kyA sthAna hai? dAdAzrI : akrama meM to bhAva bhI nahIM hai aura abhAva bhI nahIM hai| una donoM se dUra ho ge| bhAva aura abhAva se saMsAra khar3A hotA hai, 'rileTiva DipArTamenTa' khar3A hotA hai| 'akrama vijJAna' se bhAva-abhAva ur3a jAte haiM, isalie nayA 'cArja' honA baMda ho jAtA hai aura jo 'cArja' kiyA thA, vaha 'DiscArja' honA bAkI rahatA hai| yAnI ki 'kaoNz2a' baMda ho gae aura 'iphekTa' bAkI rahate haiN| 'iphekTa', vaha pariNAma hai| pUrA jagat pariNAma meM hI kalaha kara rahA hai| phela ho jAe usakI kalaha nahIM honI caahie| par3hate samaya hamArI kalaha honI cAhie, ki bhAI par3ha, par3ha! use Toko, DA~To parantu phela hone ke bAda meM to use kahanA ki 'baiTha bhAI, khAnA khA le ! sUrasAgara (baror3A kA eka tAlAba) meM DUbane mata jAnA!' praznakartA : kisa bhUla ke AdhAra para aise bhAva ho jAte haiM? udAharaNa ke taura para rizvata lene kA bhAva honaa| dAdAzrI : vaha to usake jJAna kI bhUla hai| sahI jJAna kyA hai, usakA use 'DisIz2ana' nahIM hai| ajJAnatA ke kAraNa bhAva hote haiM, kyoMki use aisA lagatA hai ki isa duniyA meM aisA nahIM karU~gA to merI dazA kyA hogI? yAnI use khuda ke jJAna para se bhI nizcaya TUTa gayA hai| khuda kA jJAna galata hai aisA vaha jAnatA hai| aba, yaha jJAna, vaha mokSa kA jJAna nahIM hai| yaha vyavahAra kA jJAna hai| aura 'TemparerI' rUpa meM hI hotA hai ki jo saMyogavaza niraMtara badalatA hI rahatA hai| saMsArapravAha jIva mAtra pravAha svarUpa hai| jaise narmadAjI kA pAnI bahatA rahatA hai,

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AptavANI-5 17 usameM hama kucha bhI nahIM karate haiN| bahAva hI hameM Age kI ora le jAtA hai| pichale janma meM nauveM mIla para the, vahA~ acche-acche Ama ke per3a, Ama, badAma, aMgUra vagairaha dekhe the| acche bAg2a dekhe the| aba Aja isa janma meM dasaveM mIla para AyA, vahA~ sabakucha registAna jaisA milaa| isalie phira nauveM mIla kA jJAna use kacoTatA rahatA hai| vahA~ Ama mA~gatA hai, aMgUra mA~gatA hai, parantu kisI cIz2a kA ThikAnA nahIM pdd'taa| isa taraha yaha Age-Age bahatA hI rahatA hai! yaha saba niyati kA kAma hai, parantu niyati 'vana oNpha da phekTarsa' kI taraha hai, khuda kartA ke rUpa meM nahIM hai| kartA ke rUpa meM isa jagat meM koI cIz2a nahIM hai| vaise hI kartA ke binA yaha jagat banA nahIM hai! parantu vaha naimittika kartA hai| svataMtra karttA koI nahIM hai| svataMtra kartA ho to baMdhana meM AegA, naimittika kartA baMdhana meM nahIM AtA! praznakartA : isalie naimittika karttA meM jo karttA ho, vaha aisA mAnatA hai ki maiM nimitta hU~? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to khuda apane Apako khayAla meM rahatA hI hai ki 'maiM nimitta huuN|' mujhe loga aisA kahate haiM ki 'dAdA Apane aisA kiyA aura Apane vaisA kiyaa|' parantu maiM to jAnatA hU~ na ki isameM maiM to nimitta ha~! kartA bane use karma ba~dhate haiN| Apa kisI bhI vastu ke kartA banate ho kyA? praznakartA : subaha se zAma taka kartA hI banate haiN| dAdAzrI : aba Apa kartA ho yA nahIM, usakA Apako pramANa dekhanA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : Apa aisA bolate ho, 'rAta ko dasa baje so jAnA hai aura chaha baje uThanA hai', phira vahA~ palaMga meM sira taka or3hakara leTe-leTe Apa kyA-kyA yojanA gar3hate ho? phira ekAeka vicAra AtA hai ki phalAne ko pA~ca haz2Ara rupaye die the, usakA Aja khAtA baMda karanA bAkI raha gyaa|

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AptavANI-5 taba phira Apako nIMda AegI kyA? yadi nIMda khuda ke hAtha meM nahIM hai, to dUsarI kauna-sI vastu khuda ke hAtha meM hai? jaldI uThanA ho to alArma rakhanA par3atA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : vaha bhI khuda ke hAtha meM nahIM hai! saMDAsa jAnA bhI khada ke hAtha meM nahIM hai| kucha bhI apane hAtha meM nahIM hai| yaha to kudaratI rUpa se apane Apa calatA rahatA hai| usake sAtha hama 'eDajasTa' ho jAte haiM ki 'yaha maiM kara rahA huuN|' yaha hara eka vastu dUsarI zakti ke adhIna calatI hai| Izvara bhI karttA nahIM hai aura Apa bhI isake kartA nahIM ho| isake kartA Apa ho, aisA mAnate ho, vahI agale janma kA bIja hai| eka dina yaha saba samajhanA to par3egA hI na? isalie akhA bhagata ne kahA hai ki, 'karttA miTe to chUTe karma, e che mahAbhajanano marma', 'jo tU jIva to karttA hari, jo tU ziva to vastu khrii|' kisI jIva ko karane kI zakti hai hI nahIM, yaha karttA kisa cIz2a ke bana baiThe haiM? vAstava meM to svapariNAma ke kartA hai| aba parapariNAma kA kartA koI ho sakatA hai kyA? ye janma huA, taba se maraNa taka sabakucha anivArya hai, aura vaha parapariNAma svarUpa hai! usake hama karttA samajhate haiM, isalie agale janma kA bIja par3atA hai| vyavahAra AtmA : nizcaya AtmA ajJAnatA meM AtmA (vyavahAra AtmA) anaupacArika vyavahAra se dravyakarma kA kartA hai| anaupacArika vyavahAra arthAt jisameM upacAra bhI nahIM karanA par3atA, aise vyavahAra se dravyakarma kA kartA hai| aura svarUpa kA bhAna ho jAne para hamezA ke lie svapariNAmI hai| usameM vaha kucha vikRta nahIM ho gyaa| vikRti yadi ho jAe to badala hI jAegA, khatma ho jaaegaa| itanA hI samajha meM A jAe to kAma ho jaaegaa|

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AptavANI-5 yaha, 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA mAnatA hai / are, tU yahA~ para kahA~ hai? yaha to sacara hai, 'mikenikala' (bhautika) AtmA hai / usake bhItara acara hai, vaha zuddhAtmA hai| bAhara prakRti hai, vaha sacara vibhAga hai aura acara AtmavibhAga hai| loga sacara ko sthira karanA cAhate haiM / prakRti to mUla svabhAva se hI caMcala hai / jagat ghar3Ibhara bhI vismRta ho sake, aisA nahIM hai| karttApana kA mithyAtva 19 zAstra to sabhI jAnate haiM, parantu anajAna kisase hai? AtmA se ! sabakucha jAnA parantu AtmA se anajAna rahA / vaha to aisA hI samajhatA hai ki, 'yaha maiM karU~ to hI hogA / ' vaha kyA kahatA hai ? are, aMgAroM para baiTha / apane Apa ho jAegA sabakucha ! aMgAroM para baiThane se apane Apa chAle ho jAe~ge yA nahIM hoMge? are, yaha dUsarA saba jAnA usase to 'igoiz2ama' bar3hegA balki ! jo karatA hai, use baMdhana hotA hai / jo kucha bhI kiyA, vaha saba baMdhana hai| tyAga kareM yA grahaNa kareM saba baMdhana hI hai| lie to dene par3eMge aura die to lene pdd'eNge| ye rupaye udhAra die hoM, unheM chor3a sakate haiM parantu tyAga kA phala AegA taba lenA hI par3egA / - praznakartA: sabhI zAstroM kA hetu to AtmA kA darzana karanA hI hai na? to phira AtmA kA darzana kyoM nahIM hotA? 'igoiz2ama' kyoM bar3hatA hai? dAdAzrI : 'igoiz2ama' bar3hatA hai vaha bhI ThIka hai, kyoMki vaha 'DevelapamenTa' (vikAsa) hai| ina kaoNlejoM meM sabase aMtima pI. eca. DI hone jAte haiM, parantu jitane bana sake utanA saca / sabhI nahIM bnte| dhIre-dhIre 'Devalapa' (vikasita) hotA hai / 'igoiz2ama' bar3hatA hai, vaha bhI ThIka hai| usameM jo aMtima 'greDa' ke do-cAra hote haiM unheM 'jJAnI puruSa' mila jAte haiM, taba ve pAsa ho jAte haiM / taba taka aise karate-karate Age bar3hate haiN| pahale 'igoiz2ama' ko khar3A karatA hai / hindustAna ke bAhara jo 'igoiz2ama' hai, vaha sAhajika 'igoiz2ama' hai| unakA 'igoiz2ama' kaisA hai? jahA~ jAnA hai, vahA~

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20 AptavANI-5 para jAne kA 'igoiz2ama' karatA hai aura jahA~ nahIM jAnA hai, vahA~ nahIM jAne kA 'igoiz2ama' karatA hai aura hameM jahA~ nahIM jAnA hai vahA~ cale jAte haiM aura jahA~ jAnA hai vahA~ manA kara dete hai! apane yahA~ sArA vikalpI 'igoiz2ama' hai| una logoM kA sAhajika 'igoiz2ama' hotA hai| gAya-bhaiMsoM ko hotA hai vaisaa| vahA~ corI karanevAlA corI karatA rahatA hai, badamAzI karanevAlA badamAzI karatA hai aura 'nobala' ho vaha nobala rahatA hai| apane yahA~ to nobala bhI corI karate haiM aura cora bhI nobilITI karate haiN| isalie, yaha deza hI Azcaryajanaka hai na? yaha to 'inDiyana paz2ala' (bhAratIya pahelI) hai ! jo 'paz2ala' kisIse 'solva' nahIM ho sktaa| faoNrenavAle buddhi lar3Alar3Akara thaka jAte haiM, parantu unheM isakA 'solyuzana' nahIM miltaa| cAcA kA beTA aise kahatA hai ki 'gAr3I nahIM de sakate, sAhaba AnevAle hai!' pUrA ahaMkAra hI kapaTavAlA! aura jo kriyAe~ karate haiM, vaha saba ThIka hai| ve ahaMkAra bar3hAtI haiM, aura aise karate-karate saba anubhava cakhate-cakhate phira AtmAnubhava hotA praznakartA : phira aMtima 'sTeja' (sthiti) meM ahaMkAra nikala jAtA dAdAzrI : phira use jJAnI mila jAte haiN| hara eka 'sTenDarDa' ke ziSya taiyAra hote haiM, usIke anusAra use zikSaka mila jAte haiM, aisA niyama haiN| kartA banA ki baMdhana huaa| phira bhale kisI bhI cIz2a kA kartA bane! sakAma karma kA kartA bana yA niSkAma karma kA kartA bana, kartA banA ki bNdhn| niSkAma karma se sukha milatA hai, saMsAra meM zAMti milatI hai aura sakAma se duHkha milatA hai| vaLagaNa kise? praznakartA : AtmA ko zarIra kI vaLagaNa (balA, bhUtAveza, pAza, baMdhana) hai, pudgala kI, isalie AtmA bhaTakatA hai?

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AptavANI-5 21 dAdAzrI : vaLagaNa AtmA ko lagatI hI nhiiN| yaha to saba ahaMkAra ko hI hai| ahaMkAra hai to AtmA nahIM hai aura AtmA hai to ahaMkAra nahIM hai| praznakartA : to AtmA ko mokSa denA hai na? dAdAzrI : AtmA mokSa meM hI hai| use da:kha hI nahIM hai na! jise duHkha ho, usakA mokSa karanA hai| khuda ba~dhA huA bhI nahIM hai, mukta hI hai| yaha to ajJAna se mAnatA hai ki 'ba~dhA huA hU~' aura 'mukta hU~' usakA jJAna ho jAe to mukta huaa| vAstava meM ba~dhA huA bhI nahIM hai| vaha mAna baiThA hai| loga bhI mAna baiThe haiM, vaise hI yaha bhI mAna baiThA hai| logoM meM spardhA hai yaha sb| 'merA-terA' ke bheda Dala gae, ve baMdhana ko majabUta karate haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, aise ekadama se utaranA z2arA muzkila ho jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : isalie hI to ye saba aMtarAya Ate haiM na! samakita nahIM hotA, usakA kAraNa hI yaha hai| isalie hI to kahA hai ki, AtmajJAna jAno! AtmA kyA hai, use jaano| nahIM to chUTA nahIM jA sakegA! zAstrakAroM ne bahuta-sAre udAharaNa die haiM, parantu ve samajha meM Ae~ taba na? AtmajJAnI hoM, vahIM para chuTakArA milatA hai| jJAnI samajhAte haiM ki, 'kitane bhAga meM tU karttA hai|' vaha to aisA mAnatA hai ki, "sAmAyika, japa, tapa, yoga 'maiM' hI karatA huuN| 'maiM' hI AtmA hU~ aura 'maiM' hI yaha karatA huuN|" aba 'karatA hai' zabda AyA, taba se hI vaha mithyAtva hai ! 'karomi, karosi aura karoti' vaha saba mithyAtva meM hai! prakRti kare Ter3hA : puruSa kare sIdhA prakRti Ter3hA kare, parantu tU aMdara sIdhA krnaa| prakRti krodha karane lage taba 'hameM 'caMdUbhAI' se kyA kahanA par3egA? 'caMdUbhAI yaha galata ho rahA hai, aisA nahIM honA cAhie, aisA nahIM honA caahie|' yAnI 'ApakA' kAma pUrA ho gayA! prakRti to kala subaha ulTI bhI nikale aura sIdhI

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AptavANI-5 bhI nikle| usake sAtha hamArA lenA-denA nahIM hai| bhagavAna kyA kahate haiM ki, 'tU terA bigAr3anA mata / ' 22 manuSyoM kA svabhAva kaisA hotA hai ki jaisI prakRti vaisA khuda ho jAtA hai| jaba prakRti nahIM sudharatI, taba kahegA, 'rahane do na !' are, nahIM sudhare to koI harja nahIM, tU terA aMdara sudhAra na ! phira tumhArI 'risponsibiliTI' (jimmedArI) nahIM hai ! itanI hada taka kA yaha 'sAinsa' hai!!! bAhara kaisA bhI ho, usakI 'risponsibiliTI' hI nahIM hai / itanA samajhe to hala A jaae| Apako samajha meM AyA, maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~, vaha? praznakartA : hA~, samajha meM AyA / dAdAzrI : kyA samajha meM AyA? praznakartA : sirpha dekhanA hai, usake sAtha tAdAtmya nahIM honA hai / dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM / tAdAtmya ho jAe, phira bhI hameM turanta kahanA cAhie, 'aisA nahIM honA caahie|' yaha to saba galata hai ! prakRti to sabakucha karegI, kyoMki vaha g2airajimmedAra hai / parantu itanA bola diyA, to Apa jimmedArI meM se chUTa ge| aba isameM koI parezAnI ho aisA hai? praznakartA : parezAnI nahIM hai, parantu jaba krodha AtA hai usa samaya bhAna nahIM rhtaa| dAdAzrI : apanA 'jJAna' aisA hai ki bhAna meM rakhatA hai / pratikramaNa karatA haiM, sabhI kucha karatA haiN| Apako bhAna rahatA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : rahatA hai, daadaa| dAdAzrI : hara samaya rahatA hai ? praznakartA : hA~, hareka samaya rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : apanA 'jJAna' aisA hai ki niraMtara jAgRti, aura jAgRti meM hI rakhe, aura jAgRti hI AtmA hai /

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AptavANI-5 23 prakRti to abhiprAya bhI rakhegI aura sabakucha rkhegii| parantu hameM abhiprAya rahita honA caahie| hama alaga, prakRti alaga, ina 'dAdA' ne vaha alaga kara diyA hai| phira Apa 'apanA' rola alaga se nibhaao| isa 'parAI pIr3A' meM nahIM utaranA hai| vItarAgoM kI rIti vItarAgoM kA mata aisA hai ki "ye aise haiM', isa prakAra abhiprAya bA~dhA vaha usakA gunAha hai|" 'hama' sirpha sAvadhAna karanA jAnate haiN| phira Apako Ter3hA karanA ho to usakA kucha kara hI nahIM sakate n| vaha to bhagavAna mahAvIra ke samaya meM bhI unakA ziSya gozAlA badala gayA thaa| gozAlA bhagavAna ke sAmane vyAkhyAna dete hue kahatA hai, 'maiM bhI mahAvIra hI huuN|' isameM mahAvIra kyA kareM? una dinoM aise loga paidA hote the, to Aja do loga aise paidA ho jAe~ to unheM hamaloga kucha nahIM kaha sakate? aura vaise hoM taba hI acchA na? yaha vItarAgoM kA vijJAna to kaisA hai? hamane abhiprAya bA~dhA ki 'ye galata haiM aura ye bhUlavAle haiM, to vahA~ pakar3a meM A gae! abhiprAya to denA hI nahIM hai, parantu apanI dRSTi bhI nahIM bigar3anI cAhie! maiM 'suparaphluasa' (nATakIya) rahatA huuN| yahA~ kitane sAre mahAtmA haiM, una sabhI kI haqIqata maiM jAnatA hU~, parantu maiM kahA~ daqhala karU~? durupayoga karane jaisA yaha 'jJAna' nahIM hai| praznakartA : bhagavAna ko 'kyA galata aura kyA sahI' aisA hai hI nahIM, phira prazna hI khar3A nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : vaha bhagavAna kI dRSTi meM hai| yahA~ prazna khar3A hotA hai| hama abhI jaba taka bhagavAna hue nahIM haiM, taba taka hama gunahagAra haiN| praznakartA : parantu phira to sahI kyA aura galata kyA, vaha prazna gauNa ho jAtA hai na?

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24 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : nahIM, parantu kheda to honA hI caahie| ye zabda durupayoga karane ke lie maiM nahIM bola rahA huuN| maiM jo bola rahA hU~ vaha Apako 'bodarezana' (bhAra, parezAnI) nahIM rahe isalie bola rahA huuN| kisIke mana meM aisA nahIM ho jAe ki, 'mujhe karma baMdhege', isalie khulakara kaha rahA huuN| nahIM to maiM bhI chAna-chAnakara nahIM bolU~ ki, 'karma to ba~dhege, yadi Apa kabhI aisA nahIM karo to|' 'hamane' Apako sabhI prakAra kI chUTa dI hai| 'mAtra, eka viSaya meM jAgRta rahanA' aisA kahate haiM aura vaha bhI khuda kI strI athavA khuda kA puruSa utane taka hI viSaya kI chUTa dete haiN| aNahakka (binA haqa kA) ke viSaya ke sAmane hama Apako cetAvanI dete hai, kyoMki usameM bahuta bar3A jokhima hai| apane isa 'akrama vijJAna' meM itanA hI bhayasthAna 'hama' Apako batAte haiN| bAkI sabhI tarafa se nirbhaya banA dete haiN| abhiprAya khatma karo praznakartA : dveSa nahIM rahe parantu abhAva rahatA hai, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? dAdAzrI : abhAva, vaha cIz2a alaga hai| ve saba mAnasika vastue~ haiN| dveSa to ahaMkArI vastu hai| abhAva meM 'lAika' aura 'DisalAika' rahatA hai| vaha to sabhI ko rahatA hai| hama bhI bAhara se aMdara Akara yaha bichaunA dekheM, taba yahA~ Akara baiTha jAte haiN| parantu koI kahe ki Apako yahA~ nahIM baiThanA hai, vahA~ baiThanA hai, to hama vahA~ baiTha jAte haiN| parantu pahale 'lAika' isa bichaune ko karate haiN| hameM dveSa nahIM hotA, parantu 'lAika-DisalAika' rahatA hai| vaha mAnasika hai, ahaMkAra nahIM hai! praznakartA : vaha abhiprAya ke AdhAra para rahatA hai na? dAdAzrI : ve abhiprAya saba kie the, unake phalarUpa ye abhAva rahA karate haiN| use hameM 'pratikramaNa' karake badala denA cAhie ki sAmanevAlA vyakti to bahuta acchA hai, phira hameM vaha acchA dikhegaa|

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AptavANI-5 25 praznakartA : abhiprAya kA pratikramaNa karanA cAhie yA pratyAkhyAna karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : pratikramaNa karanA caahie| kisIke lie kharAba abhiprAya baiTha gayA ho, taba hameM acchA baiThAnA cAhie ki bahuta acchA hai| jo kharAba lagatA ho, use acchA kahA ki badala jAtA hai| pichale abhiprAyoM ke kAraNa Aja vaha kharAba dikhatA hai| koI kharAba hotA hI nahIM hai| khuda ke mana ko hI kaha denA caahie| abhiprAya mana ne banAe hue haiN| mana ke pAsa silaka (jamApU~jI) hai| kisI bhI rAste mana ko bA~dhanA caahie| nahIM to mana belagAma ho jAtA hai, parezAna karatA hai| praznakartA : Apane eka bAra kahA thA ki mana ko sahalAte bhI nahIM rahanA cAhie aura dabAnA bhI nahIM caahie| to kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : hameM mana ko dabAnA nahIM hai, parantu use hameM 'rivarsa' (pIche mor3anA) meM lenA hai| isalie jinake lie hameM kharAba abhiprAya hoM to hameM kahanA cAhie ki, 'ye to bahuta acche haiM, upakArI haiM', aisA kaheM to mana mAna jAtA hai| 'jJAna' ke AdhAra para mana ko qAbU meM kiyA jA sakatA hai| dUsarI kisI cIz2a se mana ba~dha sake aisA nahIM hai| kyoMki mana 'mikenikala' vastu hai| mana pratidina 'egz2osTa' hotA rahatA hai| isalie aMta meM vaha khatma ho jaaegaa| nayI zakti nahIM milatI hai aura purAnI kA upayoga hotA rahatA hai| mana kahe ki kamara meM duHkha rahA hai, taba hama use kaheM ki, 'acchA hai ki paira nahIM ttuutte|' aisA kaheM to mana zAMta ho jaaegaa| use plasa-mAinasa karanA par3atA hai! yamarAja vaza barate vaha... dAdAzrI : saMyama kise kahate haiM? praznakartA : paribhASA mAlUma nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : yaha to bhagavAna kA zabda hai| praznakartA : samajhakara hama 'jJAna' meM raheM, vaha saMyama hai|

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : ye saba 'kaMTrola' meM rahate haiM, 'AuTa oNpha kaMTrola' nahIM hote, vaha saMyama nahIM khlaataa| saMyama to alaga hI vastu hai| ve saMyamadhArI kahalAte haiM! jise yamarAja nahIM pakar3eM, unakA nAma saMyamI ! saMyamadhArI kA bhagavAna ne bakhAna kiyA hai| saMyamadhArI ke to darzana karane par3ate hai! yamarAja ko jinhoMne vaza meM kiyA hai!!! praznakartA : yamarAja ko vaza meM kiyA hai, vaha kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : yamarAja vaza ho cuke haiM, aisA kaba kahA jAegA ki jise mRtyu kA Dara nahIM lagatA ho, 'maiM mara jAU~gA, maiM yamarAja ke kabje meM ha~', aisA nahIM lagatA ho, vaha saMyamadhArI kahalAtA hai| saMyama kA artha abhI loga kahA~ se kahA~ le gae haiM! bhagavAna kI bhASA kA zabda ekadama nicalI kakSA meM le gae haiN| bhagavAna kI nizcaya bhASA vyavahAra meM le Ae haiN| abhI loga jise saMyama kahate hai, vAstava meM vaha saMyama nahIM khlaataa| ise to 'kaMTrola kiyA' kahA jAtA hai| manuSyoM kA 'kaMTrola' kama hotA hai, isalie unheM 'kaMTrola' karanA par3atA hai| sabhI jAnavara kaMTrolavAle haiM, sirpha manuSya hI 'DIkaMTrola'vAle haiN| khuda kA bhAna hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : sattA hai, parantu jimmedArI kA bhAna nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : jaba kaMTrola kI saMpUrNa sattA hAtha meM A gaI taba durupayoga kiyaa| isalie khuda nirAzrita ho gayA! ina gAya-bhaiMsoM ko ciMtA hotI hai kyA ? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : taba sirpha ina manuSyoM ko hI ciMtA hotI hai| kyoMki sattA kA durupayoga kiyaa| ciMtA khar3I huI ki khuda nirAzrita huaa| 'merA kyA hogA?' aisA jisa-jisako hotA hai ve saba nirAzrita haiN|

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AptavANI-5 27 __yAda Ae~, vaha parigraha nAztA karane meM harja nahIM hai| lata nahIM laganI caahie| AtmA ko khIMca na le jAe utanI jAgRti rakhanI caahie| khiMca jAte hoM to pratikramaNa karanA caahie| bhojana meM kyA khIMca le jAtA hai? praznakartA : tiikhaa| dAdAzrI : vApisa yAda AtA hai? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : to vaha khAyA hI nahIM kahalAtA, yAda AyA to parigraha haiN| yAda nahIM AyA to vaha parigraha nahIM khlaataa| bahIkhAtA likhanA bAkI ho to yAda AtA hai ki itanI jamApUMjI bAkI hai| makkhI vahIM para maMDarAtI rahatI hai| ina 'dAdA' kI yAda hI aisI haiM ki sabakucha bhulA de| yoM hI parigraha bhulA detI hai| praznakartA : sAdhAraNa saMyogoM meM hameM jo yAda nahIM AtA, parantu vaha sAmane Ae aura kucha ghaMTo taka rahe, vaha parigraha mAnA jAtA haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~! jo hameM svarUpa se dUra kare, vaha parigraha ! vaha graha laga gayA hai, parigraha kA bhUta laga gayA hai| isalie 'hama loga' 'svarUpa ko' bhUla jAte haiM! utanA samaya ghaMTe-do ghaMTe svarUpa kA lakSa cUka jAte haiN| are, kucha loga to bAraha-bAraha ghaMTe taka cUka jAte haiN| aura isa jagat meM, jise 'jJAna' nahIM diyA ho use to vahI calatA rahatA hai| pUre dina pAnI dUsare ke kheta meM hI jAtA hai| paMpa ghara kA, iMjana-pAnI sabakucha khuda kA, peTrola-oNila khuda kA aura phira bhI pAnI jAtA hai logoM ke kheta meM! 'svarUpa jJAna' ke bAda sArA pAnI khuda ke kheta meM hI jAtA hai| 'svakSetra' meM hI jAtA hai, parakSetra' meM nahIM jaataa| praznakartA : paMdraha dinoM taka yAda nahIM Ae aura phira yAda Ae

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28 AptavANI-5 vaha parigraha kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| bhUta Apake pIche par3A hai| pUrI duniyA ke bhUta lage hue haiM Apako? Apako Apake bhUta lage hue haiN| kucha bAteM hotI haiM, utane meM hI bhUta lage hue haiN| aura saba jagahoM para nahIM lagate! svarUpajJAna kI prApti praznakartA : krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ko chor3ane kA rAstA, vaha 'jJAna' hI hai? aura vaha 'jJAna' isa kAla ke lie samanvita hai? dAdAzrI : saccA jJAna to vaha kahalAtA hai ki jo krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha ko khatma kara de| praznakartA : use prApta kaise kareM? dAdAzrI : vahI jJAna yahA~ Apako detA huuN| ina sabake krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha sAre khatma hI ho gae haiN| praznakartA : hRdaya kI saralatA AnI itanI AsAna hai? dAdAzrI : saralatA AnI yA nahIM AnI vaha to pUrvajanma kA hisAba hai| usakA 'DevalapamenTa' hai| jitanA sarala hogA utanA adhika uttama khlaaegaa| parantu vaha 'kramikamArga' kA hai| usameM sarala vyakti dharma ko prApta karatA hai, parantu usameM karor3o janmoM taka bhI mokSa kA ThikAnA nahIM pdd'taa| aura yaha 'akramavijJAna' hai| yaha eka hI avatArI 'jJAna' hai| aura yadi isa 'jJAna' kI ArAdhanA hamArI AjJApUrvaka kI jAe na to niraMtara samAdhi rahegI! Apa DaoNkTara kA vyavasAya karo to bhI niraMtara samAdhi rhegii| kucha bhI bAdhaka hogA hI nahIM aura sparza bhI nahIM kregaa| yaha to bahuta ucca vijJAna hai| isalie kavirAja kahate haiM ki dasa lAkha varSoM meM huA nahIM hai, vaisA yaha ho gayA hai| praznakartA : zaraNAgati kI AvazyakatA hai, aisA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| yahA~ para zaraNAgati jaisI koI vastu hI nahIM hai|

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AptavANI-5 yahA~ para to abhedabhAva hai| mujhe ApameM se kisIke prati judAI lagatI hI nhiiN| aura isa duniyA ke prati bhI bilkula judAI nahIM lgtii| 29 praznakartA : Apa to bahuta ucca koTi ke haiM, hama to bahuta nIcI koTi ke haiM I dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aisA nahIM hai / Apa to merI koTi ke hI ho| Apa mujhe dekhate hI rho| usase mere jaise hote rhoge| dUsarA koI rAstA nahIM hai| jise Apa dekhate ho, usI rUpa hote jAte ho / praznakartA: saMsAra ke vyavahAra meM zuddhatA, zuci cAhie na ? dAdAzrI : zuddhatA itanI adhika A jAnI cAhie ki Adarza vyavahAra kahalAnA cAhie / 'varlDa' meM dekhA hI nahIM ho, vaisA sabase U~cA vyavahAra honA caahie| hamArA vyavahAra to bahuta U~cA hai| yaha vijJAna aisA hai| maiM jo Apako dikhAtA hU~, vaha kevaLajJAna (ebsolyUTa jJAna, kaivalyajJAna) kA AtmA hai aura isa jagat ke loga jise AtmajJAna kahate haiM, vaha zAstrIya AtmajJAna hai / praznakartA : pAtratA yA adhikAra ke binA yaha 'jJAna' kisa taraha pacegA? dAdAzrI : pAtratA yA adhikAra kI yahA~ para z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| yaha AcAra kI kakSA para AdhArita nahIM hai / bAhyAcAra kyA hai? pUrA jagat bAhyAcAra para baiThA hai / bAhyAcAra, vaha 'iphekTa' haiM, 'kaoNz2ez2a' nahIM hai| 'kaoNz2ez2a' hama khatma kara dete haiM / phira 'iphekTa' to apane Apa dhula jaaegaa| parama vinaya praznakartA : parama vinaya vaha AcAra hai kyA? 11 dAdAzrI : parama vinaya to apane Apa utpanna hotA hai / yaha "jJAna' hI utpanna karatA hai / jaise ki bacce ko samajhAyA jAe ki yaha zIzI 'poiz2ana' kI hai, aura 'poijana' matalaba kyA, aisA samajhAne ke bAda vaha

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30 AptavANI-5 use chUtA nahIM hai| usI prakAra yaha 'jJAna' avinaya chur3avAtA hai, aura parama vinaya utpanna karavAtA hai| Apako parama vinaya meM nahIM rahanA hai, parantu... praznakartA : apane Apa hI rahA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, apane Apa hI parama vinaya meM rahA jAtA hai| dAdA ke darabAra kA vinaya dAdAzrI : yaha hama Ate haiM aura Apa saba khar3e ho jAte ho, to isa uThane-baiThane se to aMta Ae aisA nahIM hai| usase to dama nikala jaaegaa| praznakartA : jinAlaya meM to bhagavAna kI mUrti ke pAsa vaMdanA karate samaya uThaka-baiThaka hI karate haiM na? dAdAzrI : vahA~ uThaka-baiThaka kareM to vinaya ke bahuta (mArka) aMka haiM aura yahA~ para to anya bahuta sArI kamAI karanI hai na? vinaya kA phala mokSa hai, kriyAoM kA phala mokSa nahIM hai| jinAlaya meM vinaya karo, vaha dikhatA hai| yoM kriyA z2arUra hai, parantu usa samaya aMdara sUkSma vinaya hai, vaha mokSadAyI hai| vaMdana kare usa ghar3I gAliyA~ nahIM de rahA hotA hai aura 'yahA~' kA vinaya to abhyudaya aura AnuSaMgika donoM phala detA hai! guru mahArAja kA vinaya karake bAhara Akara niMdA kareM to phira sabakucha miTTI meM hI mila jaaegaa| jisakA vinaya karo, unakI niMdA mata karanA aura niMdA karanI ho to vahA~ para vinaya mata krnaa| usakA koI artha hI nahIM hai na! Apako to yahA~ para kucha karane ko rahA hI nahIM na! yahA~ para khar3A hone ke lie to isalie manA karate haiM ki isa kAla meM logoM ke pairoM kA ThikAnA nahIM hai| pUre dina bhAga-daur3a, bhAga-daur3a hotI hai| ye relve ne bhI pula car3hA-car3hAkara dama nikAla diyA hai! aba usameM hama kaheM ki 'khar3e ho jAo, baiTha jAo' to usakA kaba aMta AegA? isake badale to aise hI sahI-salAmata raho n| jise jaise anukUla Ae, vaise baittho| 'dAdA' ko

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AptavANI-5 sabakucha pahu~ca cukA hai| ye 'dAdA' to Apake bhAva ko hI dekhate haiM, kriyA ko nahIM dekhte| samajha kI zreNiyA~ praznakartA : sAmanevAlA doSita nahIM dikhe usake lie, 'prakRti karatI hai', usa samajha se kAma letA huuN| dAdAzrI : vaha 'pharsTa sTeja' kI bAta hai, parantu aMtima bAta meM aisA kucha bhI nahIM hotA hai| AtmA isakA jAnakAra hI hai| aura kucha bhI nahIM hai| usake badale mAna baiThA hai ki sAmanevAle ne hI kiyA! 'roMga bilIfa' hI hai sirph| praznakartA : ekalaute beTe ko mAra DAlA... dAdAzrI : vaha maratA hI nhiiN| jo mUla svabhAva hai, jo 'mUla vastu' hai, vaha maratA hI nahIM hai| ye to jo nAzavaMta cIjeM haiM, unakA nAza hotA hI rahatA hai| jagat nirdoSa hI dikhatA hai| jisakI samajha kama ho, vaha hisAba lagAkara kahatA hai 'hisAba hogaa|' nahIM to, 'merA beTA hai' aisA hogA hI nahIM na!! bhagavAna kI bhASA samajha meM A jAe, use to pUrA jagat nirdoSa hI dikhegA na? koI phUla car3hAe to bhI nirdoSa dikhegA aura patthara mAre to bhI nirdoSa dikhegA! eka ne mAra DAlA aura eka ne bcaayaa| parantu donoM nirdoSa dikheMge, vizeSatA nahIM dikhegI usmeN| Apako hamAre 'jJAna' kI samajha se samajhanA ho to 'vyavasthita' hai, 'hisAba hai', aisA Apako samajhanA pdd'egaa| usase Age jAoge taba 'mUla vastu' samajha meM aaegii| bacAnevAlA koI bacA hI nahIM sakatA, mAranevAlA koI mAra nahIM sktaa| sabakucha kudarata kA kAma hai yh|' 'vyavasthita' hai, parantu 'vyavasthita' ke avalaMbana ke rUpa meM yaha kauna kara rahA hai? usa pUre bhAga ko khuda jAnatA hai ki sArI kudarata kI hI kriyAe~ haiN| kudarata jIva mAtra kA hita hI kara rahI hai, parantu use yaha kAla 'DisTarba' karatA hai|

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AptavANI-5 praznakartA : kAla 'DisTarba' karatA hai, vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| I dAdAzrI : yaha kAla 'DisTarba' nahIM kara rahA hotA na to yaha jagat bahuta suMdara lagatA / aisA kAla Ae, taba nIce adhogati meM le jAtA hai bAkI kudarata kA adhogati meM le jAne kA kAma nahIM hai / kudarata kA svabhAva to niraMtara urdhvagati meM hI le jAne kA hai| T 32 eka kAla aisA thA ki seTha loga naukaroM ko duHkha dete the, aura aba naukara seTha logoM ko duHkha dete haiM aisA kAla AyA hai! kAla kI vicitratA hai! naoNrmeliTI meM ho to sabakucha suMdara khlaaegaa| seTha naukara ko duHkha hI nahIM de aura naukara aisI tor3aphor3a hI nahIM kare / yaha to khuda sirpha mAna baiThA hai| bApa huA vaha bhI mAna baiThA hai ki maiM bApa hU~, parantu beTe ko do ghaMTe khUba gAliyA~ de, to patA cala jAegA ki kitane dinoM kA bApa hai ! ThaMDA hI ho jAegA na ! sacamuca kA bApa hotA, taba to judA hote hI nahIM / pApoM kA prAyazcita praznakartA : apane kie hue pApa bhagavAna ke maMdira meM jAkara hara ravivAra ko qabUla kara lie hoM to phira pApa mAfa ho jAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : isa taraha yadi pApa dhula jAte hoM na to koI bImAravImAra hotA hI nahIM na? phira to koI duHkha hotA hI nahIM na? parantu yaha to apAra duHkha par3atA hai / mAfI mA~gane kA artha kyA hai ki Apa mAfI mA~go to Apake pApa kA mUla jala jAtA hai / isalie vaha phira se phUTatA nahIM, parantu usakA phala to bhugatanA hI par3atA hai na ? praznakartA : koI-koI jar3a to phira se phUTa nikalatI haiN| dAdAzrI : ThIka se jalA nahIM ho, to vApisa phUTatA rahatA hai| varnA, jar3a bhale kitanI hI jala gaI ho, phira bhI phala to bhugatane hI par3ate haiM / bhagavAna ko bhI bhugatane par3e ! kRSNa bhagavAna ko bhI yahA~ tIra lagA thA!

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AptavANI-5 usameM kisIkA calatA hI nahIM / mujhe bhI bhoganA par3atA hai ! hara eka dharma meM mAfI hotI hai / krizciyana, muslima, hindU sabhI meM hotI hai, parantu alaga-alaga taraha se hotI hai| 33 praznakartA : bhagavAna ne jo cAra prakAra ke sukha die haiM, ve cAroM hI prakAra ke sukha kisI eka vyakti ko Ate hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : ye sukha haiM hI nhiiN| sabhI kalpanAe~ haiM / yaha saccA sukha hai hI nahIM / praznakartA : kauna-sA saccA aura kauna - sA jhUThA sukha, vaha anubhava hue binA kisa taraha samajha meM AegA ? dAdAzrI : khuda ko anubhava hotA hI hai| bAhara kI kisI bhI vastu kI madada ke binA aisA sukha utpanna hotA hai ki kabhI dekhA hI nahIM ho ! praznakartA : vaha hamezA rahanA cAhie / dAdAzrI : vaha sukha phira jAtA hI nahIM / ina sabhI ko (jJAna lene ke bAda) vaisA sukha utpanna huA hai, phira vaha gayA hI nhiiN| phira usa sukha ke Upara Apa patthara DAlate raho, to Apako lageMge z2arUra, lekina hamArI AjJA meM raho to kucha hogA nahIM / hamArI AjJA bilkula AsAna hai ! sukha kA zodhana dAdAzrI : kisalie tU naukarI karatI hai bahana ? praznakartA : aisA nasIba meM likhakara lAe hoNge| dAdAzrI : phira, paisoM kA kyA karatI ho? praznakartA : maiM AtmA ko DhU~Dha rahI hU~ / dAdAzrI : AtmA ko koI hI vyakti DhU~Dha sakatA hai| sabhI jIva AtmA ko nahIM ddhuuNddhte| ye saba jIva kyA DhU~Dha rahe haiM? sukha ko DhU~Dha rahe haiN| duHkha kisI jIva ko pasaMda nahIM hai| choTe se choTA jIva ho yA manuSya

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34 AptavANI-5 ho yA strI ho, duHkha kisIko pasaMda nahIM hai| aba ina sabako sukha to milatA hai, parantu kisIko saMtoSa nahIM hai| usakA kyA kAraNa hogA? yaha sukha, vaha saccA sukha nahIM hai| eka bAra sukha sparza kara gayA phira duHkha kabhI bhI nahIM Ae, vaha saccA sukha kahalAtA hai| vaisA sukha DhU~Dha rahe haiM! manuSya janma meM use mokSa kahA jAtA hai| phira karma pUre hue ki mokSa ho gayA! parantu pahalA mokSa yahA~ se ho hI jAnA caahie| kaSAya nahIM hone caahie| kaSAya tujhe hote haiM kyA? praznakartA : hote haiN| dAdAzrI : kaSAya tujhe bahuta pasaMda haiM kyA? praznakartA : pasaMda to nahIM, parantu hote haiN| dAdAzrI : kaSAya hI duHkha hai ! pUrA jagat kaSAyoM meM hI par3A huA hai| logoM ko kaSAya pasaMda nahIM haiN| parantu phira bhI kaSAyoM ne unheM ghera liyA hai| kaSAyoM ke hI tAbe meM saba A gae haiN| isalie ve becAre kyA kareM? kitanA hI bhale gussA nahIM karanA ho phira bhI ho jAtA hai| tujhe kaisA sukha cAhie, 'TemparerI yA paramAnenTa?' praznakartA : sabhIko zAzvata sukha caahie| dAdAzrI : phira bhI zAzvata sukha milatA nahIM hai, usakA kyA kAraNa praznakartA : hamAre karma aise haiM, aura kyA? dAdAzrI : karma cAhe jaise bhI hoM parantu hameM zAzvata sukha denevAle, dikhAnevAle koI mile nahIM hai| jo bhI koI zAzvata sukha bhoga rahe hoM, unheM hama kaheM ki 'mujhe rAstA dikhAie to ApakA kAma ho jaaegaa|' parantu vaise koI mile nahIM haiN| duHkhI aura sirpha duHkhI hI mile haiN| isalie duHkha unakA bhI nahIM gayA aura ApakA bhI nahIM gyaa|

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AptavANI-5 sirpha 'jJAnI puruSa' hI sarvadA sukhI rahate haiM mokSa meM hI rahate haiN| unake pAsa jAe~ to ApakA niber3A A jAegA / nahIM to bhaTakate rahanA hai / isa kAla meM zAMti kisa taraha rahe ? ' svarUpa ke jJAna' ke binA zAMti kisa taraha rahe? ajJAna hI duHkha hai / jApa kisakA ? praznakartA : mana kI zAMti prApta karane ke lie kauna - sA aisA jApa adhika kareM ki jisase mana ko vizeSa zAMti ho aura bhagavAna kI tarafa lakSya rahe? 35 dAdAzrI : svarUpa kA jApa kareM to ho jAegA / praznakartA : sahajAtmasvarUpa paramaguru? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha svarUpa kA jApa nahIM hai / vaha bhagavAna kI bhakti hai| svarUpa kA arthAt 'Apa kauna ho?' usakA jApa karo to pUrI zAMti mila jaaegii| svarUpa kA jApa kyoM nahIM karate? praznakartA : mana meM bahuta samaya se prazna ulajhana meM DAla rahA thA ki kisa taraha kA jApa karane se zAMti milegI ? dAdAzrI : svarUpa kA jApa karo to niraMtara zAMti milegI, ciMtA nahIM hogI, upAdhi (bAhara se AnevAle duHkha) nahIM hogI / usake lie 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa kRpApAtra bana jAnA cAhie / jJAnI milane ke bAda sAdhanoM kI nirarthakatA praznakartA : aMta:karaNa kI zuddhi ke lie jo sAdhana batAe haiM, ve kitane aMzo taka z2arUrI haiM? dAdAzrI : kauna-se sAdhana ? praznakartA : japa-tapa, ve saba / dAdAzrI : jaba taka sAdhya vastu nahIM mile, taba taka sAdhanoM meM

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36 AptavANI-5 rahanA caahie| parantu yadi 'jJAnI puruSa' mila jAe~ to kucha bhI karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' khuda hI sabakucha kara dete haiN| aura ve nahIM mile hoM, to Apako kucha na kucha karanA hI caahie| nahIM to ulTI cIjeM ghusa jaaeNgii| zuddhikaraNa nahIM karo to azuddhi hI hotI rahegI yA nahIM hotI rahegI? isalie hameM roz2a kacarA to sameTanA hI par3egA na! 'jJAnI puruSa' mila gae hoM to unheM kahanA ki, sAhaba, merA niber3A le aaie| taba 'jJAnI puruSa' eka ghaMTe meM hI saba kara dete haiM, phira sirpha unakI AjJA meM rahanA hai ki 'calatI liphTa meM hAtha bAhara mata nikAlanA, nahIM to hAtha kaTa jaaegaa| aura pUrI liphTa roka denI pdd'egii|' yaha to mokSa meM jAne kI liphTa hai| ___mokSa meM jAne ke do mArga haiM : eka 'kramika' mArga aura dUsarA 'akrama' maarg| kramika arthAt 'sTepa bAya sTepa' sIr3hiyoM se car3hanA aura 'akrama' arthAt liphTa meM U~ce jAnA! mokSa - akrama mArga praznakartA : mokSa ko prApta karane ke lie sIdhA rAstA nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : tujhe Ter3hA cAhie kyA? praznakartA : Ter3hA to nahIM cAhie, parantu sIdhA nahIM mila rahA hai| 'mokSa prApta karane ke lie rAstA AsAna nahIM hai' aisA merA mAnanA hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| vaha to ThIka hai| mokSa ke lie do rAste haiN| kAyama kA to eka hI rAstA hai| yaha jo muzkila rAstA Apa kahate ho na, vahI hai| yaha to kabhI hI InAmI rAstA nikala jAtA hai| yaha dasa lAkha varSa meM nikalatA hai! usameM jise TikiTa mila gaI, usakA kalyANa ho gayA! yaha rAstA hamezA ke lie nahIM hotA hai| yaha 'akrama vijJAna' hai aura vaha 'krama vijJAna' hai| krama arthAt sTepa bAya sTepa, sIr3hI dara sIr3hI car3hakara Upara jaanaa| aura yaha liphTa hai! liphTa tujhe pasaMda nahIM ho to koI harja nhiiN| hama tujhe kramikavAlA rAstA dikhaaeNge| tujhameM sIr3hiyA~ car3hane kI zakti hai, phira kyA burA hai? aura jise liphTa pasaMda ho, jisameM zakti nahIM ho vaha

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AptavANI-5 37 liphTa meM baitthe| 'jJAnI' mila jAe~ to mokSa hathelI meM hai aura nahIM mileM to karor3oM janmoM taka bhI ThikAnA nahIM par3e! praznakartA : jJAnI bhI samyakjJAnI hone cAhie na? unheM saccI samajha honI cAhie na? dAdAzrI : hA~, samyakjJAna Apako bhI honA cAhie, tabhI mokSa hogaa| samyakdarzana, samyakjJAna aura samyakcAritra sabakucha hI ho jAegA, taba mokSa hogaa| aise hI mokSa nahIM ho jaataa| praznakartA : hameM bhI mokSa kA svAda cakhAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : hA~, ckhaauuNgaa| sabhI ko ckhaauuNgaa| jise cakhanA ho use ckhaauuNgaa| aMtara kA bhedana hue binA upaje nahIM aMtaradRSTi praznakartA : 'jJAnI puruSa' aisA kahate haiM ki Apako aMdara hI dekhate rahanA hai| to hameM aMdara kyA dekhanA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha jo kahA huA hai, vaha sApekSa vacana hai| jise AMtarika jJAna ho cukA ho, use aMdara dekhanA hai aura jise bAhya jJAna huA ho, use bAhara dekhanA hai| aba bAhyajJAna huA ho aura aMdara dekhe to kyA dikhegA use? praznakartA : bAhara kA hI dikhegaa| dAdAzrI : isalie merA kahanA yaha hai ki yaha jo vacana kahA hai vaha sApekSa vacana hai| jise aMtara kA koI kucha jJAna huA hai, aMtara kI koI bAta sunI hai, aura aMtara kA kucha bhedana huA hai, use aMdara dekhanA hai| aura aMtara kA bhedana nahIM huA ho to aMdara kyA dekhoge? praznakartA : hameM koI vicAra Ate hoM ve?

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38 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu vaha ataMra kA bhedana huA ho usake lie vaha kAma kA hai| aMtara kA bhedana nahIM huA ho, vicAra uThate hoM, unameM tanmayAkAra ho jAe, phira kyA dikhegA? jisake aMtara kA bhedana huA ho, vaha to vicAroM meM tanmayAkAra nahIM hotA aura unheM dekhatA hai ki mujhe kyA vicAra AyA? parantu aMtarabheda honA itanA AsAna nahIM hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' ke binA vaisA aMtarabheda nahIM hotaa| bheda to DalanA cAhie na hameM? ahaMkAra bheda nahIM Dalane detaa| jisakI dRSTi bAhara hI hai, laukika meM hI racA-basA hai, use aMdara kyA dekhanA hai? usakI ramaNatA kahA~ hai, usa para dRSTi AdhArita hai| jaba taka AtmA prApta nahIM ho jAe, taba taka aMdara kucha bhI dekhane jaisA hai hI nhiiN| sirpha zubha upayoga rakhatA hai, parantu vaha mokSa kA mArga nahIM hai, dharmamArga hai| isalie usakA aura mokSa kA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| Apa aMdara cAhe jitanA upayoga rakhoge, parantu vaha zuddha upayoga to nahIM mAnA jaaegaa| zuddha upayoga to 'jJAnI puruSa' ke 'jJAna' dene ke bAda rahatA hai| 'jJAna' kauna-sA? aatmjnyaan| 'maiM kauna hU~' vaha nizcita hotA hai| aura vaha phira bhAna sahita honA caahie| zuddha upayoga mokSamArga hai| aura Apa kahate ho ve sabhI zubha upayoga haiN| azubha meM se zubha meM Ane kA vaha mArga hai| adhyAtma aura bauddhikatA praznakartA : adhyAtma ke anubhava ke bAre meM dAdA ke pAsa yA kisI bhI vItarAga puruSa ke pAsa se hama uttara prApta kareM, to vaha bauddhika arthaghaTana mAnA jAegA kyA? dAdAzrI : Apake pAsa AyA, isalie bauddhika ho gyaa| Apako buddhi se samajhane ke lie bauddhika ho gyaa| bAkI vaise to jJAna prakAza hai! buddhi to hama meM hotI hI nahIM! isalie hama jJAna ke 'DAyarekTa' prakAza ke dvArA hI bAta karate haiN| hamAre pAsa pustaka ke jJAna kI bhI bAteM nahIM hotii|

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AptavANI-5 39 praznakartA : vANI meM jo utare, to vaha utane aMza taka bauddhika huA nahIM kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA koI niyama nahIM hai / vANI meM to 'DAyarekTa' prakAza sArA hI utaratA hai aura 'inaDAyarekTa' bhI sArA hI utaratA hai / vANI kA usase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai / I praznakartA : 'DAyarekTa' prakAza pahu~cAne ke lie mAdhyama kI maryAdA vANI ke lie bAdhaka hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : 'DAyarekTa' prakAzavAlI vANI syAdvAda hotI hai| kisIko kiMcit mAtra duHkha nahIM ho, aisI vaha vANI hotI hai| buddhivAlI vANI se kisIko duHkha ho jAtA hai, kyoMki buddhivAlI vANI meM ahaMkAra rUpI 'poiz2ana' hotA hai / praznakartA : vItarAga vANI ho parantu sAmane grahaNa karanevAlI buddhi ho, to vaha vItarAgatA ko samajha sakegI kyA? dAdAzrI : buddhi samajha sakatI hai, parantu vaha khuda apane Apa nahIM samajha sktii| vaha to 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa samyak ho jAe, taba grahaNa kara sakatI hai| praznakartA : grahaNa karanevAlA jo hotA hai, vaha to usakI bauddhika zakti se grahaNa karatA hai na? yA usakI maryAdA hotI hai phira ... dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha bauddhika zakti se grahaNa karatA hai parantu 'jJAnI puruSa' kI upasthiti meM hI buddhi vaha pakar3a sakatI hai, aura kisI jagaha para buddhi pakar3a nahIM sktii| kyoMki 'jJAnI puruSa' kI upasthiti meM nikalI huI vANI AvaraNoM ko bhedakara 'DAyarekTa' AtmA taka pahu~catI hai aura AtmA ko pahu~catI hai, isalie turanta Apake mana-buddhi- citta aura ahaMkAra pakar3a lete haiM / hamArI vANI AtmA meM se hokara nikalI huI hotI hai / jagat kI vANI mana meM se hokara nikalI huI hotI hai / isalie use mana 'eksepTa' karatA hai aura yahA~ AtmA 'eksepTa' karatA

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40 AptavANI-5 hai, parantu phira vApisa mana-buddhi use pakar3a lete haiM I avasthA meM asvastha, sva meM svastha praznakartA : vItarAgoM kI anupasthiti meM avasthA meM asvastha ho jAte haiM aura unakI upasthiti meM svastha rahA jAtA hai, aisA kyoM hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : upasthiti meM to svastha rahatA hI hai| asvastha rahatA hai, vaha to ApakI buddhi karavAtI hai aura buddhi hai taba taka ahaMkAra hai, aura ahaMkAravAlI buddhi hai, vaha asvastha karavAtI hai / usakA yadi 'enDa' (aMta) A jAe to asvastha hone kA koI kAraNa hI nahIM rahegA / praznakartA : bhautika rUpa se to vaha saMbhava hI nahIM hotA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, saMbhava nahIM hotA ! phira bhI jitanA lAbha mile utanA saccA! nahIM to ApakI buddhi aura ahaMkAra nikAla (nipaTArA) karate-karate khatma ho jAe~ge, taba phira apane Apa hI niraMtara svasthatA rahegI, sva meM rahane ke lie svasthatA aura vaha avasthAoM meM rahatA hai isalie asvasthatA hai| avasthAe~ sabhI vinAzI haiM, sva avinAzI haiN| yAnI avinAzI meM rahe to svastha raha sakatA hai aura nahIM to phira asvastha rahA karatA hai / praznakartA : avasthA meM asvastha rahatA hai, use khuda dekha sakatA hai aura jAna sakatA hai phira bhI svastha nahIM rahA jA sakatA, utanA buddhi kA AvaraNa adhika kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vahA~ para kyA nyAya hai ki jo dekhatA hai, dAdA ne jo AtmA diyA hai, 'zuddhAtmA', vahI ina sabako dekhatA hai| 'usa' rUpa se 'hama' raheM to kucha bhI jhaMjhaTa nahIM hai / nahIM to svastha aura asvastha dekhane jAe~ to usakA aMta hI nahIM AegA / praznakartA : usakI cAbI kauna-sI ? dAdAzrI : svastha ho jAe yA asvastha, donoM kA jAnakAra zuddhAtmA hai| asvastha ho jAtA hai isalie khuda usameM, 'faoNrena' meM hAtha DAlatA hai|

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AptavANI-5 svastha ho jAo yA asvastha ho jAo, Apako to 'jAnane' se kAma hai| ye saba paudgalika avasthAe~ haiM aura paudgalika avasthA ko jAne, vaha 'zuddhAtmA' kahalAtA hai| paudgalika arthAt pUraNa- galana ho cukI ! jo asvasthatA Apako AtI hai vaha pUraNa (cArja honA, bharanA) ho cukI hai, tabhI Aja A rahI hai, vaha abhI Akara galana ( DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) ho jaaegii| 41 'faoNrena' meM hAtha DAlA to jale bagaira rahegA hI nhiiN| hama 'faoNrena' meM hAtha DAlate hI nahIM / kyoMki yoM bhI jo phala milanevAlA hai, vaha to milegA hii| aura Upara se usane hAtha DAlA usakA 'Dabala' phala milegaa| do nukasAna uThAtA hai| hameM eka hI nukasAna uThAnA hai / 'caMdUbhAI' asvastha ho jAte haiM, vaisA 'Apako' jAnate rahanA hai, vaha paMdraha miniTa bAda khatma ho jaaegaa| 'dekhate' rahoge to do nukasAna nahIM hoNge| praznakartA : asvasthatA kA samaya jitanA adhika khiMcegA, utanA adhika AvaraNa kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : hA~, jitanA AvaraNa utanA jyAdA asvastha rahegA, parantu 'Apa' zuddhAtmA hokara dekhate rahoge to vaha cAhe jitanA AvaraNa ho phira bhI vaha tez2I se khatma ho jAegA / usakA hala A jAegA aura usameM khuda hAtha DAlane gayA to mArakara jhaMjhaTa khar3I hogI / jJAnI kA azAtA udaya praznakartA : vItarAga puruSoM ko zArIrika duHkha Ate haiM, udAharaNa svarUpa Apako paira meM 'phrekcara' huA to usameM khuda kisa taraha mukta rahate haiM? vedanA to sabhI ko hotI hai vaisI hI hotI hogI na? dAdAzrI : unhoMne svAmitva ke jo dastAveja haiM, ve phAr3a die haiM / 'yaha mana merA hai' aisA dastAveja phAr3a cuke haiN| 'buddhi merI hai, vANI merI hai' aisA dastAveja phAr3a cuke haiN| vANI ko ve kyA kahate hai, 'orijinala TeparikaoNrDara / '

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42 AptavANI-5 yaha deha bhI merI hai, aisA dastAveja phAr3a cuke hote haiN| isalie phira kyA kahate haiM-'yaha pablika TrasTa haiN|' isalie hameM yadi abhI dAr3ha duHkhe to asara hotA hai, parantu use 'hama' 'jAnate' haiM, usakA vedana nahIM krte| jaba ki koI hameM gAliyA~ de, apamAna kare, paise kA nukasAna ho jAe usakA hama para z2arA-bhI asara nahIM hotaa| hameM mAnasika asara bilkula nahIM hotaa| zarIra ko lagatA hai, to vaha usake dharma ke anusAra asara dikhaaegaa| parantu 'hama' khuda usake 'jJAtA-dRSTA' hI hote haiN| isalie hameM duHkha sparza nahIM krtaa| praznakartA : ise vItarAga puruSa kI tAdAtmyapUrva taTasthatA kahI jAegI, yA sirpha taTasthatA kahI jAegI? / dAdAzrI : hameM tAdAtmya bilkula nahIM hotaa| hamArA isa deha ke sAtha bhI par3osI jaisA saMbaMdha hotA hai, isalie deha ko asara ho to hameM kucha bhI sparza nahIM krtaa| mana to hamArA aisA hotA hI nhiiN| vaha kaisA hotA hai? prati kSaNa phiratA hI rahatA hai| eka jagaha para sthira nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : yAnI ki 'par3osI' ke duHkha se khuda duHkhI nahIM hote| dAdAzrI : kisIke bhI duHkha se duHkhI nahIM hote| khuda kA svabhAva duHkhavAlA hai hI nahIM, balki 'inake' (dAdAzrI ke) sparza se sAmanevAle ko sukha ho jAtA hai| jagat meM adhyAtma jAgRti praznakartA : aMtima pA~ca varSoM se logoM meM adhyAtma kI tarafa pragati bar3hatI huI dikhatI hai, to vaha kyA sUcita karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha kyA sUcita karatI hai ki pahale AdhyAtmika vRtti bilkula khatma ho gaI thI, isalie aba bar3hatI huI dikhatI hai| yaha saba kAla ke anusAra ThIka hI hai| dUsarA yaha hai ki ye duHkha itane adhika bar3heMge ki inameM se logoM ke lie nikalanA muzkila ho jAegA! taba phira logoM ko vairAgya A jaaegaa| yoM hI to loga apanI mAnyatA chor3a deM, aise nahIM haiM na?

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AptavANI-5 43 praznakartA : use satyagu kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : logoM ko use jo yuga kahanA hai vaha kaheM, parantu parivartana hogaa| satayuga to gayA, vaha phira se AegA nahIM, isalie kaliyuga meM jo nahIM dekhA ho vaise suMdara-suMdara vicAra dikheMge! Aja manuSyoM kI buddhi jo 'Devalapa' ho rahI hai, vaisI dasa lAkha varSoM meM kabhI bhI kisI samaya huI nahIM thii| yaha buddhi viparIta ho rahI hai, parantu viparIta buddhi bhI 'DevapalapDa' (vikasita) hai, use samyak hone meM dera nahIM lgegii| parantu pahale to buddhi kucha khAsa 'Devalapa' nahIM thii| praznakartA : isalie hI to pahale ke kAla meM AtmasAkSAtkAra prApta karane ke lie bahuta lambI-lambI tapazcaryA karanI par3atI thii| usakA kAraNa yahI hai na? dAdAzrI : yahI thaa| abhI bahuta tapazcaryA nahIM karanI par3atI, saba tape hue hI hai! eka diyAsalAI jalAe usake pahale to dhamAkA ho jAtA hai| tape hue ko kyA tapAnA? niraMtara tapa hI karate rahate haiM becaare| adhyAtma meM invenzana zuddha hRdayavAle ke pAsa pUchane kA bahuta nahIM hotA aura vaha dharma kI prApti bhI bahuta nahIM krtaa| praznakartA : yAnI Ter3he logoM ko lAbha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : Ter3he ko hI lAbha hai| inake jaise hRdayazuddhivAle maiMne bahuta sAre dekhe haiN| unheM maiM kahatA hU~ ki Apa to sukhI hI hai, to phira Apako kyA hai? Apa sIdhe loga duniyA kA nukasAna nahIM karate, parantu AtmadazA taka pahu~cane meM bahuta samaya lagegA, kyoMki unakA 'invenzana' (khoja) baMda rahatA hai| unakA iMjana dhIre-dhIre calatA rahatA hai| ___ yaha jo maiM kaha rahA hU~, vaisI bAta kisIne kI hI nahIM hogii| hara koI aisA kahatA hai ki ye hRdayazuddhivAle hI dharma ko prApta karate haiM, aura

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44 AptavANI-5 ina dUsaroM ko prApti nahIM hogii| aba merA kyA kahanA hai ki hRdayazuddhivAle ko z2arUrata kI cIjeM mila jAtI haiM to basa, ho gyaa| phira unakA 'invenzana' baMda ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : parantu dAdA, unakI hRdaya kI yA buddhi kI jijJAsA ho taba hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, jijJAsA ho phira bhI nahIM hotaa| ve to sirpha dopA~ca loga Ate haiN| unheM sudhArate haiM, sevA sabakI karate haiM aura khuda kA bhI calatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : aba unheM AtmajJAna meM jAnA ho to kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : ve to dhIre-dhIre kabhI aise saMyoga mileMge, taba vApisa hRdaya meM dUsarA kucha A jAegA, taba mAra khaaeNge| taba phira 'invenzana' zurU hogaa| yaha merA 'invenzana' kisalie huA hai? mAra khAne se huA hai| maiM aisI-aisI khAiyoM meM se nikalA hU~, aise-aise 'hila sTezanoM' para car3hA hU~... dUsarA, mujhe jagat kI koI cIz2a nahIM cAhie, jagat meM Apa bhI car3he hue ho, ye sabhI car3he hue haiM, parantu inheM jJAtA-dRSTApana nahIM hai, khuda kA nirIkSaNa nahIM hotaa| khAne meM-pIne meM, mastI meM tanmayAkAra rahate haiN| isalie 'invenzana' kA saba bhUla jAte haiN| hamArA nirIkSaNa kitane hI janmoM kA hai! arthAt ina mana-vacana-kAyA kI sArI zakti kisameM jAtI hai? sArI sthUla meM kharca karate haiN| jo kAma maz2adUra kara sakate haiM usameM kharca ho jAtI hai| aba aisI merI zakti yadi kabhI bagIce meM kharca ho jAe to merI kyA 'velyu' rahegI? eka ghaMTe meM to kitanA sArA kAma ho jAtA hai? sthUla meM zaktiyA~ kharca ho jAe~ to sUkSma meM 'invenzana' baMda ho jAtA hai| sevAbhAvI hue isalie vahA~ se usa lAina meM use 'inTaresTa' AtA jAtA hai| jahA~ ho vahA~ para 'Aie padhArie, padhArie' aisA milatA rahatA hai, isalie pragati baMda ho jAtI hai| 'invenzana' kaba hotA hai? sira meM tIna tamAce mAreM aura taba sArI rAta jAgakara 'invenzana' calatA hai|

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AptavANI-5 45 praznakartA : dAdA, sIdhe, sarala aura sevAbhAvI logoM kA vikAsa kharAba logoM se kama kyoM raha jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : kharAba logoM kA vikAsa hotA hI nhiiN| parantu kharAba vyakti kI kharAbI bar3hatI jAe, taba use mAra par3atI hai| taba usakA 'invenzana' calatA hai| usake bAda kharAba vyakti usa sIdhe vyakti se bhI Age bar3ha jAtA hai jabaki vaha sIdhA vyakti dhIre-dhIre Age bar3hatA rahatA hai| usakA to do ghaMTe meM bhI borasada (bar3audA ke pAsa eka gA~va) nahIM AtA! use koI ar3acana bhI nahIM aatii| kho gayA, kucha nahIM milA, taba 'invenzana' hotA hai| kudarata kA niyama aisA hai ki jitane mokSa meM gae, unameM se assI pratizata narka meM jAne ke bAda hI mokSa meM jAte haiM ! narka meM nahIM gayA ho to mokSa meM nahIM jAne dete! mAra par3anI hI caahie| khAnA-pInA sabakucha milatA rahe, 'Aie padhArie, padhArie' aisA sabhI kare to 'invenzana' ruka jAtA hai| praznakartA : kaI logoM ko aisA lagatA hai ki 'maiM dharma ke rAste para hI jA rahA huuN| mujhe aura kucha bhI jAnane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai|' vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : hara eka apanI-apanI bhASA meM Age jA hI rahA hai| parantu dharma kise kaheM vaha samajhanA bahuta muzkila hai| isa jagat meM jo cala rahA hai vaha dharma 'riyala' dharma nahIM hai, 'rileTiva' dharma hai| ve rileTiva dharma meM jA rahe haiN| pUre dina dharma hI karate rahate haiM na? sIdhe vyakti ko sevAbhAva hI dharma lagatA hai| sevAbhAva arthAt kisIko sukha denA, kisIkI ar3acana dUra karanA, vahI dharma hai| parantu vaha vAstavika dharma nahIM mAnA jaataa| jahA~ 'maiM kara rahA hU~, maiM karttA hU~, maiM bhoktA hU~', jaba taka yaha 'maiMpana' hai, taba taka satdharma utpanna nahIM hotaa| ye laukika dharma utpanna hotA hai| alaukika dharma to jaba mAra khAe na tabhI bhItara 'invenzana' hotA hai|

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46 AptavANI-5 nahIM to 'invenzana' kisa taraha hogA? AtmA kisIko mila sake, aisA hai hI nahIM, sirpha tIrthaMkara bhagavaMtoM ko milA hai ! jagat ne jise AtmA mAnA hai, AtmA vaisA nahIM hai| AtmA saMbaMdhI jo-jo kalpanAe~ kI huI haiM, ve sabhI kalpita haiN| parantu unakI bhASA meM jo hai, vaha unake lie sahI hai| kudarata ne unake lie hisAba prabaMdhita kiyA hai, usa anusAra bhogate haiN| zAstroM meM AtmA kA zabdajJAna diyA huA hai, vaha saMjJA jJAna hai| yadi saMjJA jJAnI ke pAsa se samajha jAe to AtmA kI pratIti hotI hai aura aMta meM kevaLajJAna hotA hai| mokSa ke adhikArI praznakartA : mokSa prApti pratyeka manuSya kA haqa hai? dAdAzrI : mokSa prApti kA hara eka manuSya kA nahIM, hara eka jIva kA haqa hai, kyoMki hara eka jIva sukha DhU~r3ha rahA hai| vaha sukha 'isameM milegA, isameM milegA' aisI AzA meM hI anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahA hai| vaha zAzvata sukha DhU~Dha rahA hai| zAzvata sukha, vahI mokss| ye 'TemparerI' sukha, sukha hI nahIM khlaate| yaha to saba bhrAMti hai, Aropita bhAva hai| yadi zrIkhaMDa meM sukha hotA aura Apa zrIkhaMDa khAkara Ae hoM, to Apa use vApisa khAoge? Apake lie vaha duHkhadAyI ho par3egA na? isalie usameM sukha nahIM hai| jaisA AropaNa karo vaisA sukha milatA hai| isalie mokSaprApti kA hara eka jIva ko adhikAra hai| praznakartA : isa mArga para jAne ke lie jJAnI ke caraNoM meM baiThanA cAhie, vaha rAstA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnI svayaM mukta haiM, isalie Apako bhI mukta kara sakate haiN| saMsAra kI kisI cIz2a meM ve nahIM rahate, isalie Apako bhI sarva prakAra se mukta kara sakate haiN| jina-jina ko bhajate haiM, usa rUpa hote haiN| jahA~ ahaMkAra nahIM hotA hai, vahA~ para Apa baiThe raho to ApakA ahaMkAra calA jAtA hai| abhI Apake mana meM aisA hai ki lAo, 'dAdA ke

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AptavANI-5 47 pAsa baiThA rahU~', parantu pichale jo saMskAra hai, 'DiscArja' saMskAra haiM, unakA niber3A to lAnA par3egA na? jaise-jaise unakA niber3A AtA jAegA, vaisevaise yaha prApti hotI jaaegii| bhAvanA to yahI rakhanI cAhie ki niraMtara jJAnI ke caraNoM meM hI rahanA hai| phira saMpUrNa mukti hotI hai| ahaMkAra kI mukti hI ho jAtI hai! ___ mata cUko yaha aMtima maukA praznakartA : 'jJAnI' nahIM mile taba kyA karanA cAhie? sira phor3akara mara jAe~? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA koI marane ko nahIM kahatA hai aura maranA cAheM taba marA jAe aisA hai bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : to phira jagat ko kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : kucha nahIM karanA hai| jo karate Ae haiM, vahI karate rahanA praznakartA : aise koI upadezaka nahIM nikale haiM ki jo batAe~, jJAnI nahIM hoM, taba itanA karanA, aisA batAe~? / dAdAzrI : abhI kisalie upadezaka DhU~Dha rahe ho? yaha kaliyuga AyA hai| aba to luTa jAne kA samaya AyA hai, taba upadezaka DhU~Dha rahe ho? aba to ghora a~dherA hone kA samaya aayaa| abhI aba sunAra kI dukAna khulI huI hogI? jaba sunAra kI dukAna khulI huI thI, taba mAla nahIM liyaa| aba jagat ko mAla dilavAne nikale ho? aba to bhayaMkara yAtanAe~ aura bhayaMkara pIr3A meM se saMsAra guj'regaa| yaha to aMtima ujAlA isa 'akrama vijJAna' kA hai| usameM jisakA kAma ho gayA usakA ho gyaa| bAkI rAma terI mAyA! ___AyuSya kA eksaTenzana praznakartA : 'saccidAnaMda svarUpa' koI mahAtmA hoM, brahmaniSTha koI mahAtmA hoM, to ve khuda kA AyuSya bar3hA sakate haiM kyA?

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48 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : 'AyuSya bar3hA sakatA hU~', aisA yadi kahatA hai to vaha eka prakAra kA ahaMkAra hai| kudarata meM usake AyuSya kI jo laMbAI hai, usake AdhAra para usako khuda ko aisA lagatA hai ki maiM AyuSya bar3hAU~gA to bar3ha jaaegaa| AyuSya bar3hanevAlA hai, isalie usako isa prakAra kA ahaMkAra khar3A ho jAtA hai| varnA koI kucha bhI bar3hA nahIM sktaa| isa jagat meM kisIke hAtha meM saMDAsa jAne kI zakti bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : vidhAtA (vidhi kA lekha) ko 'satpuruSa' badala sakate dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM badala skte| vidhAtA (vidhi kA lekha) inheM badalate haiM! koI kucha bhI nahIM badala sktaa| sirpha igoiz2ama hai yaha sArA! aisA to calatA rahatA hai| Apa to kisIko galata mata kahanA, kyoMki vaha Apa para ciDhegA to ulTA khela karegA aura baira baaNdhegaa| isalie unheM to kaha denA ki 'sAhaba, Apa ThIka haiM, ApakI bAta hameM pasaMda AI!' aisA karake hameM Age cale jAnA hai| isakA to aMta hI nahIM aaegaa| Apa unheM 'acche ho, galata ho', kahoge, to ve Apako chor3eMge nhiiN| Apake sAtha hI sAtha ghUmate rheNge| praznakartA : Izvara kI prApti satpuruSa kI kRpA ke binA ho sake, aisA nahIM hai| ve satpuruSa haiM, to phira ve vidhAtA (vidhi kA lekha) ko TAla kyoM nahIM sakate? dAdAzrI : yadi ve vidhAtA (vidhi kA lekha) ko TAla sakeM aisA ho, taba to unakA sat-puruSapana bhI calA jaaegaa| siddhiyA~ kharca ho jaaeNgii| satpuruSa kI bahuta sArI, apAra siddhiyA~ hotI haiN| praznakartA : to phira unheM unakI sthiti bhoganI par3atI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : bhoge binA cArA hI nhiiN| bhagavAna mahAvIra ke ziSya gozAlA ne unake do ziSyoM para tejolezyA pheMkakara jalA diyA thaa| taba unake dUsare ziSyoM ne kahA ki, 'sAhaba! inakA z2arA dhyAna to rkhie|' taba bhagavAna mahAvIra ne kahA, 'maiM mokSa kA dAtA huuN| jIvana kA dAtA nahIM

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AptavANI-5 49 huuN| maiM kisIkA rakSaka nahIM huuN|' praznakartA : kucha mahApuruSoM ne kucha mRta manuSyoM meM jIva DAlakara citA para se khar3A kiyA hai, to vaha kauna-sI zakti hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na ki jIva DAlakara khar3A kara sake to khuda mareMge hI nahIM na kabhI! isa duniyA meM jIva DAlanevAlA koI paidA hI nahIM huaa| jo DAlatA hai, vaha naimittika hai| aisA mere nimitta se bahuta hotA hai| maiM kabUla karatA hU~ ki maiM nimitta huuN| isameM galata mata mAna lenaa| praznakartA : to usakA artha yaha ki haqIqata meM vaha marA hI nahIM thA aisA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, sahI hai| vaha marA hI nahIM thaa| bhaya ke kAraNa yA aise kisI kAraNa se yahA~ itane bhAga (brahmaraMdhra) meM kucha ho jAtA hai, use ve loga utAra sakate haiN| praznakartA : jina mahAtmAoM ko nirvikalpa samAdhi hotI hai, to vaha AtmA kisa taraha deha meM se bAhara jAtA hai? dAdAzrI: nirvikalpa samAdhi ho, usakA AtmA isa deha meM se mukta hotA hai, taba pUre brahmAMDa meM prakAza dekara jAtA hai| pUre brahmAMDa ko prakAzita karatA hai| praznakartA : nirvikalpa samAdhi meM pUre brahmAMDa ko prakAzita karake yaha AtmA gayA, usake cihna kyA haiM? usakA patA kisa taraha calatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to 'jJAnI puruSa' pahacAnate haiM yA use mahAvIra pahacAnate haiN| praznakartA : 'jJAnI puruSa' use kisa taraha pahacAnate haiM? dAdAzrI : 'jJAnI' to turanta hI, use dekhate hI pahacAna lete haiN| unake lie to vaha svAbhAvika hai| hara koI apane-apane svabhAva ko turanta hI pahacAna letA hai|

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AptavANI-5 mRtyu samaya kI avasthAe~...... praznakartA : mRtyu ke samaya kI avasthA smjhaaie| kisIkI AMkheM khulI rahatI hai, kisIko zauca aura pezAba ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : aMtima samaya meM 'jJAnI' ko aisA kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| jJAnI kA AtmA indriyoM meM se nahIM jAtA hai| vaha alaga hI prakAra se bAhara jAtA hai| varnA jo saMsArI loga haiM, jinheM phira se bhaTakanA hai, unakA AtmA indriyoM meM se hokara nikalatA hai| kisIkA A~kha se, kisIkA mu~ha se, cAhe kisI bhI cheda meM se nikala jAtA hai| pavitra cheda meM se nikale to bahuta acchA aura jagat jise apavitra kahatA hai, vaise cheda meM se nikale to burA kahalAtA hai| adhogati meM le jAnevAlA hotA hai, aura kucha saMta pahale sira para nAriyala phur3avAte the| ziSyoM se kahakara rakhate haiM ki maiM aba bImAra hU~, isalie nAriyala mere sira para phodd'naa| vaha to bahuta adhogativAlA kahalAtA hai| yahA~ rahakara AtmA nikAlane ke lie prayatna kiyaa| yaha sira to dazama sthAna kahalAtA hai| vahA~ se sahaja svabhAva se AtmA nikale to usakA prakAza bhI alaga hI prakAra kA hotA hai| pUre brahmAMDa meM vaha prakAza phaila jAtA hai| praznakartA : ajJAniyoM ko bhI vaha prakAza dikhatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| ajJAniyoM ko vaha nahIM dikhtaa| jJAniyoM ko vaha saba dikhatA hai| ajJAnI ko to yahI dikhatA hai, 'merI vAipha, merI sAsa, merA mAmA', yaha jalebI-laDDU, sabakucha dikhatA hai| praznakartA : samAdhimaraNa meM zarIra ko pIr3A nahIM hotI na? dAdAzrI : isa zarIra kI pIr3A ho, phira bhI samAdhimaraNa hotA hai| pakSAghAta ho gayA ho phira bhI manuSya ko samAdhimaraNa hotA hai| samAdhimaraNa matalaba kyA ki aMtima ghaMTe meM ye dAdA dikhane lagate haiM yA phira 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna rahe, vaha usakA lekhAjokhA Akara khar3A rhaa| praznakartA : to usa avasthA meM duHkha nahIM baratatA na?

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : samAdhi maraNa meM khuda ko kisI prakAra kA duHkha hI nahIM hotaa| aMtima eka ghaMTe meM samAdhi hI rahatI hai| apane yahA~ 'jJAna' lekara jitane loga abhI taka mare haiM, unake samAdhimaraNa hue haiM, pramANa shit| praznakartA : aMtima ghaMTe meM yadi raudradhyAna ho to manuSya sabakucha cUka jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : taba to phira saba khatma ho gayA kahA jaaegaa| raudradhyAna to kyA, parantu ArtadhyAna ho taba bhI khatma ho gyaa| 'merI pA~cavI beTI kA vivAha karanA raha gayA' aisA ho to vaha ArtadhyAna huA khlaaegaa| usase jAnavara yoni meM jAtA hai| pretayoni praznakartA : ye avagativAle jIva dUsare meM jAte haiM aura khuda kI icchA pUrI karate haiM vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, ye bhUta parezAna nahIM krte| bhUta to devayonivAle hote haiN| unake sAtha ApakA acchA RNAnubaMdha ho to phAyadA kara dete haiM, aura ulTA ho to parezAna kara dete haiN| aura jina jIvoM ko mRtyu ke bAda turanta hI dUsarI sthUla deha nahIM milatI, unheM phira bhaTakate rahanA par3atA hai| jaba taka dUsarI deha nahIM mile taba taka pretayoni kahalAtI hai| aba khurAka ke binA to calatA nahIM, isalie use kisI aura ke deha meM ghusakara khurAka lenI par3atI hai| praznakartA : koI japa-tapa, mAlA aisA-vaisA karate hoM, phira bhI unheM bhUta laga sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : aisA niyama nahIM hai, parantu ApakA hisAba ho, Apane kisIko parezAna kiyA ho aura vahI jIva avagativAlA ho jAe to vaha Apase badalA lie bagaira rahegA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : koI hanumAnacAlIsA, gAyatrI yA dUsarA koI japa kara rahA ho, to usakA kyA asara hotA hai usa para?

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52 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : hA~, usase phAyadA hotA hai| usase ve dUra rahate haiN| yaha navakAramaMtra bhI yadi paddhatipUrvaka bole to bhI ve haTa jaaeNge| praznakartA : hameM devaloka dikhAie na? dAdAzrI : usase kyA phAyadA? Apa apane AtmA kA kara lo na? vaha dekhane meM maz2A nahIM hai| anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahe haiN| vahA~ bhI jAkara Ae haiM aura yahA~ bhI Ae haiN| usameM kyA dekhanA? deva-deviyoM ke pAsa indriyasukha apAra hote haiN| usase ve loga bhI Uba gae haiN| ve loga bhI rAha dekhate rahate haiM ki kaba unakI deha chuutte| lAkha-lAkha varSoM kA unakA AyuSya hotA hai to kisa taraha se deha chUTe? Apako yahA~ eka mahInA vivAha ke samAroha meM rakheM aura roz2a pakavAna deM to vaha Apako ThIka lagegA kyA? Apa vahA~ se bhAga jAoge na? vaise hI devI-devatAoM ko bhI vahA~ para acchA nahIM lgtaa| siddhAtmA aura siddhapuruSa praznakartA : jo siddhapuruSa hote haiM unakA eka khAsa sarkala hotA hai| ve pRthvI para hoM yA naz2adIka ke graha para hoM to ve pRthvI ke logoM ko mArgadarzana dete haiM, yaha bAta sahI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : siddha mArgadarzana nahIM dete| mArgadarzana denevAle saMsArI haiN| unheM saMsArI siddha kahA jAtA hai-laukika bhASA meN| praznakartA : unheM kucha bhI nahIM karanA hotA? dAdAzrI : siddha to saMpUrNa bhagavAna bana cuke hote haiM, ve haiN| ve yahA~ para nahIM hote haiN| yahA~ para dehadhArI rUpa meM koI siddha hote nahIM haiN| yaha jo siddhoM kI bAta hai, vaha to laukika bAta hai| praznakartA : siddha logoM kA bhI saMsAra hai na? dAdAzrI : unakA siddhakSetra hai| ve yahA~ para kabhI bhI hote hI nhiiN| praznakartA : ve siddha dehadhArI nahIM hote?

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AptavANI-5 53 dAdAzrI : ve dehadhArI nahIM hote haiN| ve to paramAtmA kahalAte haiM aura ye siddha to manuSya kahalAte haiN| Apa unheM gAliyA~ do to ve ghera leMge, nahIM to Apako zrApa deNge| praznakartA: siddha kI jo bAta hai, vaha to prakAza athavA teja svarUpa se hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| teja svarUpa se hote haiN| unheM eka hI zabda, 'kevaLa' (ebsolyUTa, kaivalya) hotA hai / unakA svarUpa to kevaLa-darzana, kevaLajJAna, anaMta-sukha aura parama jyoti svarUpa hotA hai, sva- para prakAzaka hotA hai| ve khuda ko prakAzita karate haiM aura pUre brahmAMDa ko prakAzita karate haiN| zuddhAtmA kA darzana praznakartA : zuddhAtmA ko kisa prakAra dekha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na ki zuddhAtmA dekhanA, usakA artha kyA hai? yaha sone kI DibiyA hai, usake aMdara rakhA huA hIrA eka bAra kholakara maiM dikhA detA hU~, phira DibbI baMda kara detA hU~, usase hIrA calA nahIM jaataa| Apake lakSya meM rahatA hai ki isameM hIrA hI hai, kyoMki Apane use dekhA thaa| are, ApakI buddhi ne usa dina 'eksepTa' kiyA thA / hamane 'jJAna' diyA, usa ghar3I Apake mana-buddhi- citta aura ahaMkAra sabhI 'eksepTa' kiyaa| usake bAda zaMkA khar3I hI nahIM hotI / praznakartA : Apane rAstA batAyA, parantu usa rAste para hama nahIM caleM to kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : nahIM caleM, aisA ho sakatA hai, parantu jAne ke lie khuda kI icchA caahie| khuda ko nahIM jAnA ho to vaha ulTe rAste jAegA, parantu khuda ko jAnA hI hai aura dUsare karma aMtarAya DAlate hoM, to usameM Apatti nahIM hai| khuda ko jAnA hai, aisA nakkI ho to 'jJAnI puruSa' ke AzIrvAda kAma karate haiN| karma lAkha Ae~ phira bhI 'jJAnI puruSa' kI kRpA se ve ukhar3a jAe~ge, parantu jinheM khuda ko hI Ter3hA karanA ho, usakA upAya nahIM hai|

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54 AptavANI-5 praznakartA : 'zuddhAtmA' kA lakSya nahIM jAe to vaha 'samabhAva se nikAla' kiyA kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : dUsarI cIz2oM meM 'inTaresTa' ho to zuddhAtmA kA lakSya cUka jAte haiN| hameM jisa cIz2a meM ruci ho to vaha cIz2a mile bagaira to rahegI hI nahIM na! kar3hI Dhula gaI ho, to bhI zora macA dete haiN| kyoMki usako usameM 'inTaresTa' haiN| aMta meM ye ruciyA~ hI nikAla denI haiN| cIjeM nahIM nikAlanI haiN| cIjeM nikAlane se jAe~gI nhiiN| pUrA jagat cIjeM nikAlane ke lie mAthApaccI karatA hai| are, cIjeM nahIM jAe~gI, ve to nasIba meM likhI huI haiN| cIz2oM ke prati ruci nikAla denI hai| praznakartA : kramika aura akrama meM pharka to gurukRpA kA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, gurukRpA hI hai bs| yahA~ to guru jaisI koI vastu hI nahIM hotii| guru arthAt kauna? guru kise kahate haiM? ki jo gurukillI sahita hoN| ve guru Apako tAra sakeMge aura binA gurukillIvAle hoM to ve guru bhArI kahalAte haiN| bhArI arthAt khuda DUbate haiM aura hameM bhI DUbo dete haiN| varnA, yahA~ to guru kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| mujhe kucha loga pUchate haiM ki, 'hamane pahale guru banAe hue haiM to kyA hameM unheM chor3a denA hai?' taba unase kahatA hU~, 'nahIM, unheM rkhnaa|' vyavahAra ke guru to cAhie hI na? aura yahA~ to akrama meM bhagavAna kI sIdhI hI kRpA utaratI hai! caudaha loka ke nAtha kI sIdhI hI kRpA utaratI hai| praznakartA : jJAna prakaTa hotA hai, taba kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAna prakaTa hotA hai, phira kisI jagaha para Thokara nahIM lagatI (ciMtA, kaSAya, matabheda nahIM hote)! praznakartA : aura aMdara kyA farka par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : aMdara apAra sukha baratatA hai, duHkha hI nahIM hotaa| duHkha, ciMtA kucha bhI sparza nahIM karatA!

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AptavANI-5 55 praznakartA : jisa jIva ko AtmasAkSAtkAra huA ho, vaha jIva dUsare jIva ko AtmasAkSAtkAra huA hai yA nahIM vaha parakha sakatA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : parakha sakatA hai na! aisA hai na, hama sabz2I bAz2Ara meM sabz2I lene jAte haiM taba 'kauna - sI sabz2I acchI hai', aisA parakha lete haiM na, vaise hI isakA bhI patA cala jAtA hai / praznakartA : Apa jaba bhagavAna kahate haiM, taba kise saMbodhita karate haiM ? mahAvIra ko ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, mahAvIra ko nhiiN| bhagavAna arthAt jo aMdara AtmA hai, paramAtma svarUpa hai / jisa AtmA ko hama paramAtmA kahate haiM, mahAvIra bhI ve hI haiN| mahAvIra nAmadhArI haiN| nAmadhArI ke bAre meM maiM nahIM kahanA caahtaa| nAmadhArI Ae~ to eka ko pasaMda AegA aura dUsare kA sira dukhane lgegaa| mUla bhagavAna se sira nahIM dukhatA! praznakartA : 'paMcama dIvo zuddhAtmA sAdhAra', ve kaisA sAdhAra kahanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : abhI taka cetana kA AdhAra ' pudgala' thA, aba cetana kA AdhAra 'zuddhAtmA' ho gayA / isalie khuda apanA hI AdhAra bana gayA, aba pudgala ke AdhAra para nahIM hai| pUrI duniyA pudgala ke AdhAra para hai| bartana meM ghI bharA ho aura usa paMDita ko vicAra Ae ki pAtra ke AdhAra para ghI hai yA ghI ke AdhAra para pAtra hai / aisA vicAra paMDita ko AtA hai, dUsare abudha logoM ko nahIM AtA / paMDita kA dimAg2a tez2a hotA hai na! usa paMDita ne patA lagAne ke lie bartana ko ulTA kiyA, taba use samajha meM AyA ki are, yaha to bartana ke AdhAra para ghI thA / usI prakAra ina logoM meM pudgala ke AdhAra para AtmA rahA huA hai| khuda, khuda para AdhArita ho, 'maiM' pudgala ke AdhAra para nahIM, aisA samajha meM A jAe taba zuddhAtmA 'sAdhAra' hotA hai ! pudgala ke AdhArI ko bhagavAna ne nirAdhAra kahA hai, anAtha kahA hai aura AtmA ke AdhArI ko sanAtha kahA hai / sAdhAra ho jAne ke bAda kucha bhI bAkI hI nahIM rahA na !

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56 AptavANI-5 aba caMdUlAla ko koI gAliyA~ deM, taba Apako 'caMdUlAla' se kahanA cAhie ki, 'caMdUlAla, Apako gAliyA~ de rahe haiM, parantu hama ApakI madada kreNge|' aisI 'prekTisa' DAla denI caahie| ye paTAkhe phor3ane hoM, rokeTa phor3ane hoM to 'prekTisa' nahIM karanI par3egI? nahIM to jala mareMge na! hara eka cIz2a kI prekTisa karanI par3atI hai| aba koI Apako jhir3ake to vaha 'caMdUlAla' ko jhir3aka rahA hai| 'Apako' to koI pahacAnatA hI nahIM na? praznakartA : 'mAi' AtmA kahate haiM, to vaha 'pratiSThita AtmA' kahalAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, 'jJAna' lene ke bAda 'pratiSThita AtmA' kahalAtA hai| hama 'jJAna' dete haiM taba 'zuddhAtmA' aura 'pratiSThita AtmA', isa prakAra do vibhAga ho jAte haiN| hama 'zuddhAtmA' ho gae aura dUsarA bhAga kyA rahA? 'pratiSThita aatmaa|' hamane pratiSThA karake khar3A kiyA hai ki, 'yaha maiM hU~, yaha maiM huuN|' usase pratiSThita AtmA khar3A ho gyaa| vaha aba 'DiscArja' svarUpa meM rahatA hai| jise 'jJAna' nahIM ho, vaha bhI 'merA AtmA-merA AtmA pApI hai' aisA-vaisA saba bolatA hai, vaha bhI pratiSThita AtmA hai| parantu unameM 'zuddhAtmA' aura 'pratiSThita AtmA' ke bIca kA bheda par3A huA nahIM hotA hai| praznakartA : 'jJAna' prApta hone ke bAda 'apUrva avasara prApta huA hai', aisA bhAna hotA hai| to usa apUrva avasara ko vistAra se smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : apUrva avasara arthAt pUrva meM kisI kAla meM nahIM AyA ho, aisA avsr| jisameM khuda apane Apa kA bhAna prakaTa hotA hai, vaha apUrva avasara kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : ye jIva kahA~ se paidA hue? dAdAzrI : ye paidA hue hI nhiiN| AtmA avinAzI hai, zAzvata hai| avinAzI paidA hote hI nhiiN| jisakA nAza hI nahIM hotA, vaha paidA bhI nahIM

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AptavANI-5 57 hotaa| yaha jo dikhatA hai vaha saba bhrAMti hai| ye avasthAe~ haiM, avasthAoM kA nAza hotA hai| bur3hApe kI avasthA, yuvAvasthA, una sabakA nAza hotA rahatA hai, unameM jo AtmA thA, vaha vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : jIvAtmA marane ke bAda vApisa AtA hai na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai ki ina 'faoNrena'vAloM kA, muslima kA vApisa nahIM AtA, parantu ApakA vApisa AtA hai ! yAnI Apake Upara bhagavAna kI kRpA hai! yahA~ mara gayA, taba vahA~ dUsarI yoni meM praviSTa ho jAtA hai| 'faoNrena'vAloM kA AtmA vApisa nahIM AtA, vAstava meM vaha vaisA nahIM hai| vaha to unakI mAnyatA aisI hai ki yahA~ se marA to mara gayA! vAstava meM vApisa hI AtA hai parantu unheM samajha meM nahIM aataa| ve loga punarjanma ko samajhate hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : yadi aisI koI ghaTanA ho ki apanI bahana yA patnI ko koI uThAkara le jA rahA ho, taba hameM kyA karanA cAhie? vItarAga rahanA cAhie? jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : Apake hAtha meM hai hI kyA? yaha 'DiscArja' hai| usa samaya kyA se kyA ho jAegA! kyA-kyA gAliyA~ de doge! vaha to yadi hamArA uThA le jAe to hama vItarAgabhAva se rheNge| ApakA to sAmarthya hI nahIM hai na? Apa to hila utthoge| praznakartA : hamAre pAsa 'TAima' hotA hai, icchA hotI hai phira bhI Alasya rahatA hai, aisA kyoM? dAdAzrI : do prakAra ke loga hote haiN| kAma meM Alasa kareM, vaise loga hote haiM aura kAma meM jaldabAjI kareM, aise loga hote haiN| jaldabAz2IvAloM meM bhI kucha ThIka se nahIM ho paataa| 'naoNrmeliTI' meM rahe vaha acchA hai| Apako to 'caMdUlAla' ko TokanA cAhie : 'Apa aisA Alasya kyoM karate ho? binA kAma ke TAima bigAr3ate ho|' hama 'caMdUlAla' ko TokeM,

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58 AptavANI-5 use jela meM nahIM DAla denA hai na hI upavAsa karavAnA hai| khAo-pIo parantu thor3A ttoknaa| praznakartA : hamAre sAmane jo kAma Ae vaha karanA to par3egA na? dAdAzrI : ve bAteM apane Apa hI ho jAtI haiN| unheM sahalAne (bahuta mahatva dene) kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| hama muzkiloM ko mahatva de dete haiM ki, 'nahIM, mujhe to dekhanA hI par3egA na', to ve car3ha baiThatI haiM ! kAma to ApakA ho hI jaaegaa| Apa use dekhate' raho, aura vaha to niyama se ho hI jaaegaa| itane sAre 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala aiviDensa' (vaijJAnika sAMyogika pramANa) haiM ki Apako kucha bhI mehanata nahIM karanI pdd'tii| Apako sirpha aisI bhAvanA rakhanI hai ki mujhe vyavahAra meM Adarza rahanA hai| vyavahAra nahIM bigar3anA caahie| phira jo bigar3a gayA usakA 'samabhAva se nikAla kara denA caahie| praznakartA : yaha 'jJAna' kA apaca arthAt kyA? usake lakSaNa kyA dAdAzrI : apaca arthAt ajiirnn| praznakartA : use rokane ke upAya kyA haiM? usake lakSaNa kyA haiM? yaha 'jJAna' lene ke bAda apaca hotA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : kisI kisIko hI hotA hai| sabako nahIM hotaa| 'jJAna' kA ajIrNa huA kise kahate hai ki eka pakSa meM par3a jAtA hai| vyavahAra meM kaccA par3a jAtA hai| kaoNleja meM nahIM jAtA, jAe to dhyAna nahIM detaa| 'hama to AtmA haiM, AtmA haiM' aise karatA rahatA hai| isalie hama samajha jAte haiM ki ajIrNa huA hai| kise ajIrNa huA nahIM kahate haiM? vyavahAra meM 'kamplITa' hotA hai| khuda ke sabhI pharz2a pUre karane par3eMge aura ve sabhI pharz2a anivArya haiN| unameM aise ulTe bhAva karo to vaisA nahIM clegaa| praznakartA : sarva jIva zuddhAtmA hoM, to isa vizva saMcAlana meM vikSepa nahIM hogA?

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : sarva zuddhAtmA ho to saMcAlana hogA hI nhiiN| isameM se siddha honA hai| ina manuSyoM meM se dhIre-dhIre siddha honA hai| usameM koI pUrI duniyA meM se eka-do siddha hote haiN| phira vApisa thor3e samaya bAda ekAdhado siddha hote haiN| yAnI ki siddha honA itanA AsAna nahIM hotaa| siddha huA jA sakatA hai| manuSya paramAtmA bana sakatA hai! parantu 'khuda kA' jJAna hone se, AtmA ko vyakta karane se, vaha ho sakatA hai! AtmA hI paramAtmA bana sakatA hai! praznakartA : hamAre yahA~ eka saMta Ae the ve 'oham aura soham' bola rahe the, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : OM aura soham, do zabda haiN| oham nAmakA koI zabda nahIM hai| apanA jo OM haiM na, vaha uccatama maMtra hai| use bolane se bahuta lAbha hotA hai aisA hai aura soham kA artha kyA hai ki 'vaha maiM hU~, jo bhItara hai vaha maiM huuN|' ye donoM maMtra lAbhadAyaka haiN| z2indagI kyA hai? praznakartA : Apake hisAba se z2indagI kyA hai? dAdAzrI : mere hisAba se z2indagI jela hai, jela! aisI cAra prakAra kI jeleM haiN| deva-devI naz2arakaida meM haiN| ye manuSya sAdI kaida meM haiN| phira ina manuSyoM ke alAvA dUsare jo dharatI para dikhate haiM, jinheM tiryaMca kahate haiM, ve sabhI saqhata maz2adUrI kI kaida meM haiM aura cauthA AjIvana kaid| vaha narkagati ke logoM ko hai| tujhe isa jela meM acchA lagatA hai kyA? praznakartA : acchA to nahIM lagatA, parantu acchA lagAnA par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, kyA kare? kahA~ jAe phira? A pha~se phira kahA~ jAe vaha? aura tujhe akele ko nahIM, sAdhu, AcArya, mahArAja sabhI pha~se hue haiN| ve aba kahA~ jAe~? dariyA meM DUbeM, to vahA~ bhI pulisavAle pakar3ate haiM! kyoM AtmahatyA kara rahe ho?' aisA kahate haiN| to AtmahatyA bhI nahIM karane dete! yaha sarakAra itanI acchI AI hai ki AtmahatyA karanI ho,

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AptavANI-5 taba bhI dUsarA gunAha lagatA hai / 'yahA~ karama pUre bhoga lo' aisA kahate hai I praznakartA : z2indagI meM sukhI hone ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : tujhe kaisA sukha cAhie? vinAzI cAhie yA 'iTaranala' 60 cAhie? praznakartA : 'iTaranala' (zAzvata) / T dAdAzrI : yadi 'iTaranala' sukha cAhie to tU yahA~ para AnA aura vinAzI sukha cAhie to usakA maiM tujhe rAstA batA dU~gA / yahA~ kabhI - kabhI Ate rahanA aura darzana kara jAnA / maiM AzIrvAda detA rhuuNgaa| terA vinAzI sukha bar3hatA jAegA aura yadi 'iTaranala' sukha cAhie to usake lie mere pAsa aanaa| jisake milane ke bAda tere pAsa se vaha sukha jAegA hI nahIM tujhe 'iTaranala' sukha nahIM cAhie na ? I praznakartA : zAzvata sukha caahie| maiM AU~gA Apake paas| mokSamArga abhI isa kAla meM mokSamArga rahA hI nahIM / eka rattIbhara bhI nhiiN| jaise ki alopa ho gayA hai| abhI to saMsAramArga bhI saccA nahIM rahA / praznakartA : mokSamArga meM kriyA kI z2arUrata hai ? dAdAzrI : mokSamArga meM aisI kriyA nahIM hotI hai, vahA~ to jJAnakriyA kI jAe, taba mokSa meM jAyA jaaegaa| ajJAnakriyA se mokSa nahIM hotA / pUrA dina sAmAyika kare phira bhI mokSa nahIM hotA, kyoMki kriyA 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA kahatA hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~' vaha baMdhana hai| isa kAla meM to phira se manuSya janma mile to bhI bahuta acchA / raudradhyAna aura ArtadhyAna ke alAvA aura kucha kiyA hI nahIM hai| narkagati ke jIva bhI kama hai| sirpha 'raudradhyAnavAle' hI narkagati meM jaaeNge| thor3A ArtadhyAna aura dharmadhyAna hogA, taba bhI manuSya meM A paaeNge| yaha to dharmadhyAna bhI nahIM jAnatA hai / dharmadhyAna ko samajha le to bhI kAma ho jAe /

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AptavANI-5 61 praznakartA : subaha uThe taba se dukAna aura grAhaka yAda Ate haiM, usameM dharmadhyAna meM kisa taraha raheM? dAdAzrI : usameM kisIkA doSa nahIM hai| barabasa karanA par3atA hai| praznakartA : isameM se chUTe kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : pustaka meM Apane nahIM par3hA? praznakartA : pUrA nahIM par3hA hai| dAdAzrI : apane Apa chUTA jA sake aisA nahIM hai| jo baMdhanoM meM se mukta ho cuke haiM, ve chur3avA sakate haiN| jo khuda hI yadi DUba rahA ho, vaha dUsaroM ko nahIM tAra skegaa| jise mokSa prApta ho gayA ho, vaha dUsaroM ko mokSa de sakatA hai| abhI lagabhaga dasa pratizata loga manuSya gati meM vApisa aaeNge| dUsare saba tiryaMcagati ke mehamAna haiN| praznakartA : jaina dharma aura manuSyagati mile, vaisA nizcaya kiyA ho to? dAdAzrI : vaha to kisakA nizcaya nahIM hogA? parantu ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna hoM to tiryaMca meM hI jAegA na? raudradhyAna matalaba kyA ki sAmanevAle ko kisI bhI prakAra kA duHkha pahu~cAnA aura ArtadhyAna arthAt khuda ko hI pIr3A hotI hai| dUsare ko kiMcit mAtra du:khI nahIM krtaa| kitane bhI nizcaya kare, kitanA bhI kare, bhaTakatA rahe, phira bhI kucha nahIM hogaa| anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka hI rahA hai na? jaba 'mukta puruSa' mile taba sunatA rahA, parantu unakI AjJAvaza nahIM rhaa| AjJAvaza rahanA, vahI dharma hai| 'mukta puruSa' svayaM mokSa meM le jA sakate haiN| ve 'lAisensa sahita' haiN| 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa se bAta ko samajha lenA hai| apane yahA~ para do mArga haiM : 'rileTiva' mArga aura 'riyala' maarg| kaI loga dharmadhyAna sikhalAte haiM parantu kisIko AtA nahIM hai| isalie hama

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62 AptavANI-5 yahA~ para dharmadhyAna sikhalAte haiM, parantu vaha bahuta U~ce prakAra kA hai| koI use hamAre pAsa se dhAraNa kara le to apanA kAma nikAla le|| praznakartA : dharmadhyAna meM jAne ke bAda usameM Age bar3he, vaise-vaise zukladhyAna kI ora bar3hatA hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| dharmadhyAna kI ora gayA, yAnI zukladhyAna kI ora khuda nahIM jA sktaa| zukladhyAna aisA nahIM hai ki khuda apane Apa prakaTa ho jaae| 'jJAnI puruSa' yA 'kevaLajJAnI' ke darzana kie binA zukladhyAna prakaTa nahIM hotaa| vaha nirvikalpa pada hai| atIndriya pada hai| yAnI aura kisI bhI prakAra se hogA nhiiN| hama Apako dharmadhyAna bhI dete haiM aura zukladhyAna bhI dete haiN| jJAnI kI virAdhanA praznakartA : yaha bolane-karane meM, Apako prazna pUchane meM kahIM para avinaya ho jAtA hai| aMtara meM aisA avinaya karane kA koI bhAva nahIM hotA, phira bhI bolane-karane meM avinaya ho jAtA ho to vaha hama virAdhanA to nahIM karate haiM na? dAdAzrI : bAta karate hue Apa virAdhaka bano to hama bAta baMda kara dete haiN| kyoMki hama jAnate haiM ki yaha to ulTe rAste claa| praznakartA : parantu hamase ApakI virAdhanA ho jAe to? dAdAzrI : hamArI virAdhanA karane ke ApameM paramANu hI nahIM haiN| aisI to hameM zaMkA hI utpanna nahIM hotii| pUrA dina jinakI ArAdhanA karate ho, usakI virAdhanA hogI hI nahIM na! 'dAdA' kI ArAdhanA kI, vahI 'zuddhAtmA' kI ArAdhanA karane ke barAbara hai aura vahI paramAtmA kI ArAdhanA hai aura vahI mokSa kA kAraNa hai| Atmasukha kA lakSaNa dAdAzrI : sukha AtmA meM se AtA hai yA pudgala meM se?

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AptavANI-5 6 praznakartA : AtmA meM se| dAdAzrI : vaha AtmA kA sukha hai yA pudgala kA sukha hai, vaha kaise patA calegA? praznakartA : atIndriya anubhava hogA na? dAdAzrI : vaha sabako patA nahIM hotaa| AtmA ke sukha kA lakSaNa arthAt nirAkulatA rahatI hai| thor3I bhI AkulatA-vyAkulatA ho to samajhanA kI dUsarI jagaha para upayoga hai| mArga bhUla ge| bAhara se becaina hokara AyA aura paMkhA calAe to bahuta acchA lagatA hai| use zuddha upayoga nahIM khte| use bhI jAnanA caahie| azAtA (duHkha-pariNAma) vedanIya ho, use bhI jAnanA cAhie aura nirAkulatA bhI rahanI caahie| donoM ko jAnanA caahie| zAtA (sukha-pariNAma) vedanIya ke sAtha ekAkAra ho jAe, vaha bhUla kahalAtI hai| vedanIya udaya-jJAnajAgRti praznakartA : zAtA vedanIya meM miThAsa to AtI hai na? dAdAzrI : miThAsa to AtI hai parantu miThAsa ko jAnanA caahie| usa ghar3I jJAna hAz2ira rahanA cAhie ki yaha zAtA vedanIya hai aura yaha nirAkulatA hai| azAtA vedanIya Ae, to azAtA vedanIya hai aisA jAnatA hai| bAhya meM azAtA hotI hai aura aMtara meM nirAkulatA hotI hai! sukhI honA, duHkhI honA arthAt bhoktA bnnaa| kartA aura bhoktA sabhI meM karma ba~dhate haiM aura jJAtA meM karma nahIM bNdhte| hama jAnate haiM ki abhI 'caMdUbhAI' ko azAtA barata rahI hai| sukhI yA duHkhI hone kA artha kyA hai? Aja maraNa Ae yA paccIsa sAla bAda Ae, usameM harja nahIM hai| praznakartA : mRtyu kA bhaya nahIM hai, parantu mRtyu ke samaya jo duHkha hotA hai, usakA Dara lagatA hai|

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64 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : duHkha kaisA? praznakartA : zArIrika vyaadhi| dAdAzrI : usameM Dara kaisA? 'vyavasthita' hai na? 'vyavasthita' meM a~dhe honA hogA to aMdhA ho jAegA, phira usakA Dara kaisA? 'vyavasthita' hamane 'eksepTa' kiyA hai, phira kabhI kucha sparza nahIM karegA, koI bhaya rakhane jaisA nahIM hai| nirbhaya hokara ghuumo| praznakartA : vedanA kA bhaya rahA karatA hai| dAdAzrI : vedanA hotI hI nahIM to vahA~ vedanA kA bhaya kahA~ se hogA? vedanA to use hotI hai ki jise bhaya ho! jise bhaya nahIM use vedanA kaisI? yaha to ApakA 'vaNika mAla' bharA huA hai na? vaha ekadama narama hotA hai| yaha seba khAe~ aura dUsarA amarUda khAe~, to una donoM meM farka nahIM hai? amarUda z2arA saqhta hotA hai aura seba narama lagatA hai| isalie Apako 'caMdabhAI' se kahanA cAhie ki 'dAdA' ne kahA hai : 'vyvsthit'| 'vyavasthita' kahane ke bAda bhaya kaisA? praznakartA : do dina se sira duHkha rahA thaa| vaha z2arA bhI sahana nahIM ho rahA thaa| dAdAzrI : 'mujhase sahana nahIM hotaa|' aisA kahA ki vaha pakar3a legA! parantu 'hameM' to kahanA cAhie, 'caMdUbhAI, bahuta sira duHkha rahA hai? maiM hAtha phera detA huuN| kama ho jaaegaa|' parantu 'mujhe duHkha rahA hai' kahA ki pakar3a legA! yaha to bahuta bar3A bhUta hai! praznakartA : zAtA mIThI lagatI hai aura azAtA apriya lagatI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha 'caMdUbhAI' ko lagatI hai na? 'caMdUbhAI' se 'hama' kaheM ki DikzanarI aba badala ddaalo| azAtA sukhadAyI aura zAtA duHkhdaayii| sukha-duHkha to sAre kalpita haiN| merA yaha eka zabda seTa karake dekhanA,

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AptavANI-5 upayoga karake dekhanA / yadi Apako z2arA bhI asara ho to khnaa| praznakartA : kucha rAstA nikAlane ke lie hI to yaha prazna pUcha rahA huuN| 65 dAdAzrI : Apa mujhase puuchie| maiM kahU~ usa anusAra krnaa| rAstA to yahI hai| aura sira para to aisA lenA hI nahIM hai ki mujhe duHkha rahA hai| koI kahegA ki 'kyoM, Apako kyA ho rahA hai?' taba kahanA ki 'par3osI kA sira du:kha rahA hai, use maiM jAnatA huuN|' aura 'yaha' par3osI hai, aisA 'Apako' vizvAsa ho gayA hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : to phira du:kha kisalie ? par3osI ro rahA ho to hama bhI kyA rone lageM? par3osI ke yahA~ to lar3AiyA~ hotI hI raheMgI aura patnI ke sAtha kisakI lar3AI nahIM hotI? 'hama' avivAhita haiM, 'hama' kisalie roe~? jo vivAhita hai, vaha roe / 'hama' ne vivAha nahIM kiyA hai ! vidhura bhI nahIM hue! 'hama' kisalie roe~? hameM to par3osI ko cupa karavAnA cAhie ki, 'bhAI, ronA nahIM, hama haiM Apake sAtha / DonTa varI, ghabarAnA nahIM / ' aisA kahanA / prakRti kA satAnA yaha 'vaNika-mAla', vaha parezAnI Ane se pahale hI ghabarA jAtA hai / hameM to caMdUbhAI se kahanA hai ki, 'Apako kucha bhI nahIM hogA / ' bhItara aisA vicAra AegA ki 'usa vyakti se calA nahIM jA rahA, aura mujhe bhI aisA ho jAegA to?' aise vicAra Ae~ to Apa kahanA, 'caMdUbhAI, hama baiThe haiM na! kucha bhI nahIM hogA / ' 'Apa' judApanA ke vyavahAra se bolo na / yaha to sAinsa hai| 'mujhe huA' kahA ki bhUta pakar3a legA / isalie jagat ko sAre bhUtoM ne pakar3A huA hai ! khuda paramAtmA hai phira kisalie yaha saba hai? paramAtmApana kI zakti thor3I-bahuta Apako dikhI hai yA nahIM? Apako aisA bhAna hai ki Apa

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66 AptavANI-5 'paramAtmA ho', aisI zakti utpanna huI hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : phira kyA harja hai? jise thor3I zakti utpanna ho gaI use sarva zakti hai, vaha pakkA ho gyaa| ApakA koI apamAna kare to pariNAma badaleMge nahIM, taba jAno ki 'ohoho! itanI sArI zakti!!' vaha to abhI thor3I hI nikalI hai| abhI to aura niklegii| anaMta zaktiyoM kA dhIredhIre anubhava hogA! ye 'e. ema. paTela', ye vyakti hI haiM na? Apake jaise nahIM haiM ye? manuSya ko sabakucha hotA hai| kyA nahIM hotA? parantu hama to du:kha ke Ane se pahale hI AdhAra de dete haiM, 'hama haiM na phira Apako kyA harja hai?' hama to par3osI ke par3osI ko bhI kaha dete haiM ki 'hama haiM na Apake sAtha!' jahA~ bhagavAna haiM, vahA~ kyA kamI rahegI? Apa judApana se bolo to shii| kSatriyoM kI taraha himmata rakhanI caahie| abhI taka Apa nirAdhAra the| zAstrakAroM ne use anAtha kahA hai| vahI Apa aba sanAtha ho gae haiN| aba Apa isa taraha AdhAra mata denA ki 'mujhe huaa|' aise AdhAra doge to vaha duHkha khatma nahIM hogaa| merA sira duHkhA aisA AdhAra Apa doge to vaha vastu gira jAegI yA rhegii| praznakartA : rhegii| dAdAzrI : AdhAra do to rhegii| pUrA sAinsa hI hai| usakA upayoga karanA A gayA to kAma ho jaaegaa| thor3A bhI cUkoge to usakA asara hogA, aura kucha bhI nukasAna nahIM hogA, magara Apako asara bhugatanA pdd'egaa| praznakartA : aise bhAva se, azAtAbhAva se nirjarA (Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA)hogI na? dAdAzrI : vaha nirjarA hone ke lie hI AyA hai, parantu aisA hai na ki utanA hamArA sukha AnA baMda ho gayA na? hamAre sukha kA vedana baMda ho jAtA hai| azAtA vedanIya kA harja nahIM hai| usakI to nirjarA hI ho rahI hai|

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AptavANI-5 67 tarIkA badalo, vedana kA isalie aba Apa tarIkA badalo to vedanA kama hogI, vaise-vaise aMdara se adhika sukha AegA, kyoMki bAhara ulajhatA hai to aMdara se sukha AnA kama ho jAtA hai| Apa 'caMdUbhAI' ko darpaNa dikhAo, aise hAtha-vAtha pherakara kaho, 'hama haiM aura Apa ho| do haiM, vaha to pakkA hai na? usameM banAvaTa nahIM hai na?' praznakartA : nahIM, do hI haiN| dAdAzrI : ye 'par3osI' kucha jAnate nahIM haiM, vaha bAta bhI pakkI hai na? aura Apa jAnakAra ho| par3osI ko kucha mAlUma nahIM ki sira dukhaa| mAlUma Apako hai| isalie Apa kahanA ki, 'sira dukhA vaha hama jAnate haiN| vaha abhI ThIka ho jAegA, zAMti rakho!' phira kaMdhA thapathapA denaa| par3osI ko to hameM sa~bhAlanA hI cAhie na? aura pUraNapUrI acchI ho, zuddha ghI ho, to do khilA bhI denA! 'khAkara so jAo', khnaa| pADAne vAMke pakhAlI ne DAma (bhaiMse kI bhUla kI saz2A caravAhe ko) kisalie? praznakartA : isameM bhaiMsA kauna hai? dAdAzrI : sArA mana kA doSa hai ismeN| mana kI caMcalatA ke kAraNa peTa becAre ko bhUkhe maranA par3atA hai| mana bhaiMsA hai isameM, peTa caravAhA hai| doSa mana kA hai aura loga peTa ko daMDa dete haiN| pakaur3e-jalebI dekhI to mana AuTa oNpha kaMTrola ho jAtA hai| isalie peTa meM gaisa ho jAtI hai| phira dUsare dina tabiyata bigar3e, taba phira upavAsa karanA pdd'egaa| phira dharma ke nAma para upavAsa kare yA cAhe jisa nAma para, parantu upavAsa to karanA par3egA na! samyak tapa bhagavAna ne uNodarI tapa kitanA acchA batAyA hai! do bhAga bhojana, eka bhAga pAnI kA aura eka bhAga havA kA, isa taraha cAra bhAga karake khA lenA caahie|

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AptavANI-5 I bhagavAna ne jJAna-darzana - cAritra isa prakAra tIna nahIM batAe, cAra batAe haiN| cauthA tapa batAyA hai / mokSa ke cAra AdhArastaMbha haiM / kramika mArga meM bhI cAra AdhArastaMbha haiM aura yahA~ ' akrama' meM bhI cAra AdhArastaMbha haiM / tapa kaunasA? jaba vedanA ho rahI ho / ApakA sira duHkhanA, vaha vedanA hai| vAstava meM vaha vedanA mAnI hI nahIM jAtI / use to jAnatA hI rahatA hai / parantu dUsarI vedanA aisI ki aise hAtha kATa rahe hoM, ragar3a-ragar3akara kATa rahe hoM, aise saMyogoM meM A pha~se hoM, taba use vedanA kahA jAtA hai / usa ghar3I tapa karanA hai| bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki kauna - sA tapa? tU 'homa DipArTamenTa' meM hai| svapariNati meM hai taba parapariNati utpanna nahIM ho, aisA tapa karanA hai| ye parapariNAma haiM aura ye mere pariNAma nahIM hai, isa taraha svapariNAma meM maz2abUta rahanA, vahI tapa hai| 68 unake aisA tapa gajasukumAra ne kiyA thaa| ve zuddhAtmA ke dhyAna meM the, taba sasura ne unake sira para miTTI kI sigar3I banAkara ArAma se aMgAre bhare the| unhoMne dekhA ki 'are vAha! ye sasurajI to mokSa kI pagar3I bA~dha rahe haiN|' ve zuddhAtmA ke dhyAna meM zreNiyA~ car3hate-car3hate kevaLajJAna prApta karake mokSa meM gae ! mokSa kA mArga hai zUravIroM kA... isa zarIra se hameM kahanA cAhie ki ' he zarIra ! he mana ! he vANI ! Apako kabhI na kabhI to loga jalAe~ge to usake badale hama hI jalA deM to kyA burA hai?' yAnI kSatriya bana jaao| jo svarUpa apanA nahIM hai, vahA~ kyA pIr3A ? yaha svarUpa apanA nahIM hai aisA 'jJAnI puruSa' ne Apako batAyA hai, vaha Apako buddhi se samajha meM A gayA, phira kaisI pIr3A ? ApakA sirpha eka hI makAna ho, use tor3anA acchA nahIM lagatA, parantu karz2A bahuta ho gayA ho isalie use beca dete ho, usake dastAveja bhI ho jAte haiM, phira vaha ghara TUTe, taba Apa zora macAo ki, 'yaha ghara merA hai, yaha ghara merA hai', to vaha kitanA qharAba lagegA !

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AptavANI-5 69 praznakartA : zabdoM meM kahane meM parezAnI nahIM AtI, parantu jaba vedanIya hAz2ira hotI hai taba apane tevara dikhAtI hai| T dAdAzrI : vedanIya to Apako kyA huI hai? vedanIya to jaba pakSAghAta ho, taba vedanIya kahalAtI hai / ise vedanIya kaise kaheMge? peTa meM duHkhA, sira meM duHkhA yA TIsa uThI to use vedanIya kaise kaheMge? apane eka mahAtmA ko pakSAghAta huA thaa| unhoMne kahA ki, "dAdA, isa 'maMgaladAsa' ko sabhI milane Ate hai, use maiM bhI dekhatA hU~ !" praznakartA : jaba taka AtmA kA spaSTa vedana nahIM hotA, anaMta svarUpa kA vedana nahIM hotA, taba taka dUsarA kucha na kucha to vedana hotA hai na? jaise ki zAtA- ashaataa| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na vedanA kA svabhAva kaisA hai ki yadi use parAI jAno to vaha jAnatA hI hai ki yaha parAI hai / phira sirpha jAnatA hI rahatA hai use, vedatA nhiiN| parantu yaha vedanA 'mujhe huI' kahe to vedana karatA hai aura yaha 'sahana nahIM hotI' aisA bole to vaha vedanA dasa gunA lagegI / yaha 'sahana nahIM hotI', aisA to bolanA hI nahIM cAhie / yaha paira to TUTa rahA ho to dUsare paira se kaheM ki tU bhI TUTa / divAliyA hI nikAlanA hai| aba mokSamArga hAtha meM AyA hai isalie z2arA himmata dikhAnI pdd'egii| jue~ par3a jAe~ to dhotI kisalie nikAlanI? unheM to bInakara pheMka de| koI kaSAyI vANI bole Apake sAtha, to vaha Apase sahana hogA kyA? praznakartA : vaha z2arA dUra hai isalie bahuta burA nahIM lagatA / dAdAzrI : sAmAnya rUpa se ina manuSyoM kA svabhAva kaisA hotA hai? zArIrika duHkha sahana karate haiM, lekina kaSAyI vANI sahana nahIM kara sakate ! mAna baiThe haiM ki yaha mujhase saTA huA hI hai| aba itanA saTA huA bhI nahIM hai vahA~ pr| sirpha sparza hI hai| sirpha AtmA kA aura pudgala kA,

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AptavANI-5 donoM kA sparza hotA hai| ekAkAra kabhI bhI huA hI nhiiN| aba AtmA kA aisA guNa hai ki bolate hI, jaisA bole vaisA asara ho jAtA hai| isalie kSatriyatA kA upayoga karanA pdd'egaa| thor3e samaya hamAre Taca meM rahanA pdd'egaa| AtmA kA svabhAva kaisA hai? jaisA ciMtana kare, turanta hI vaisA ho jAtA hai| sukhamaya ciMtana kiyA to sukhamaya bana jAtA hai aura duHkhamaya ciMtana kiyA to vaisA ho jAtA hai| isalie bahuta jAgRta rahanA hai| isameM dUsarI koI ciMtanA nahIM hotii| jaise ki, merA sira duHkha rahA hai! praznakartA : ciMtanA nahIM hotI, parantu mAhaula bigar3a jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : mAhaula kA asara hotA hai, parantu hameM bolanA nahIM cAhie ki mujhe duHkhaa| hameM to aisA kahanA cAhie ki, 'caMdUbhAI' kA sira du:kha rahA hai| ___ yaha to eka ghabarAhaTa hai| eka manuSya se kar3avI davAI nahIM pI jAtI thI, taba maiMne usake upasthiti meM cAya aura bhAkharI (gujarAtI roTI) khAte haiM, usa taraha kar3avI davAI aura bhAkharI ArAma se khaaii| vaha manuSya to cauMka gayA ki yaha to Apa cAya kI taraha pI rahe haiN| are, cAya kI taraha hI pIte haiN| yaha to tujhameM sirpha Dara ghusa gayA hai| usake bAda vaha vyakti usI taraha kar3avI davAI pIne laga gyaa| sAmanevAlA dikhAe to ho sakatA hai| koI dikhAnevAlA caahie| eka bAra maiM agni meM u~galI rakhakara batAU~ to Apa bhI rkhoge| batAnevAlA caahie| AtmA ko kucha bhI sparza nahIM karatA aura kucha bhI bAdhaka bhI nahIM hai| isalie usa rUpa se rhnaa| nirlepa, asaMga, agni kA bhI saMga use sparza nahIM karatA, to isa duHkha kA, zarIra kA kisa taraha se sparza karegA? isalie apanA vaha svabhAva pakar3akara rakhanA hai| aura parabhAva meM parapariNati utpanna nahIM ho, vaha dekhate rhnaa| parapariNati kise kahA jAtA hai? parapariNAma ko khuda ke pariNAma mAne, vaha parapariNati kahalAtA hai| sira duHkhatA hai, vaha parapariNAma kahalAtA hai, aura use 'mujhe dukha rahA hai' aisA kahA use parapariNati kahate haiN| jisane svapariNati, svapariNAma nahIM dekhe haiM, vaha parapariNati ke alAvA aura kyA

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AptavANI-5 71 dekhegA? 'sva' to samakita hone ke bAda hI hAtha meM AtA hai| 'sva' hAtha meM ho to krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kI dazA mRtaprAya ho jAtI hai| krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha kaSAya kahalAte haiN| mokSa cAhie to jAna kI bAz2I lagAne kA khela hai| zUravIratA arthAt zUravIratA! Upara se eTamabomba gire parantu bilkula bhI vicalita nahIM ho, vaha zUravIratA kahalAtI hai| aura yadi Apa zuddhAtmA svarUpa ho, maiMne jo svarUpa Apako diyA hai usa svarUpa meM raho to pAnI bhI chU sake, aisA nahIM hai| Apa aba niHzaMka hue| aba AjJA meM raho aura bur3hApA nikAla do| yaha deha calI jAe to bhale hI calI jAe, kAna kATa le to bhale hI kATa le, pudgala de denA hai| pudgala parAyA hai| parAI vastu hamAre pAsa rahegI nhiiN| vaha to 'vyavasthita' kA TAima hogA, usa dina calI jaaegii| isalie 'jaba lenA ho taba le lo' aise kahanA caahie| bhaya nahIM rakhanA hai| koI legA nhiiN| koI phAlatU bhI nahIM hai| hama kaheM ki 'le lo', to koI legA nahIM, parantu usase hameM nirbhayatA rahatI hai| 'jo honA ho vaha ho', aisA kheN| praznakartA : bAhara kI phAileM itanI adhika parezAna nahIM karatIM, parantu aMdara kI zAtA-azAtA meM ekAkAra ho jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : zAtA-azAtA ko to eka ora hI rakha denA caahie| zAtA meM pramAda ho jAtA hai, ajAgRti rahatI hai| zAtA-azAtA kI to bahuta paravAha nahIM karanI caahie| azAtA Ae, hAtha meM jalana ho rahI ho to hameM kahanA cAhie ki, "he hAtha! 'vyavasthita' meM ho to jalo yA svastha rho|" to jalana ho rahI hogI to baMda ho jAegI, kyoMki hama jalA dene kI bAta kareM, phira kyA hogA? kabhI bhI sahalAnA nahIM caahie| yaha pudgala hai| 'vyavasthita' ke tAbe meM hai| usakI azAtA vedanIya jitanI AnI ho utanI aae| zUravIratA to cAhie na? nahIM to phira bhI ro-rokara to bhugatanA hI hai, isake badale ha~sakara bhogeM to kyA burA hai? isIlie to kahA hai na, "jJAnI vedeM dhairya se, ajJAnI vede rokr|"

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72 AptavANI-5 AdhA paira TUTa gayA ho to hama kaheM, calo Der3ha to rahA na! phira AdhA calA jAe, taba hama kaheM ki do ke badale eka to rahA na? aise karate-karate aMta meM sabhI pArTsa TUTa jAe~, taba aMta meM hama AtmA to haiM na? aMta meM to sabhI pArTsa TUTa hI jAe~ge na? peTrola chir3akakara Aga lagA do to bhI hama Atma svarUpa haiM! kabhI na kabhI jalegA hI na! nahIM jalegA? thor3A abhyAsa hI karane kI z2arUrata hai| naMge paira mahArAja kisa taraha calate haiM? kisAna kisa taraha calate haiM? do-cAra bAra hama jala jAe~ to sabhI apane Apa rAste para A jAtA hai| varnA eka (davAI kI) golI se vedanA zAMta ho jAe, use vedanA hI kaise kaheMge? sau-sau goliyA~ khAe to bhI vedanA zAMta nahIM ho, use vedanA kahate haiN| aba to apanA kucha nahIM hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' ko sabakucha samarpita kara diyaa| mana-vacana-kAyA aura sarva mAyA, bhAvakarma-dravyakarma-nokarma sabakucha hI arpaNa kara diyaa| phira Apake pAsa kucha bhI bAkI nahIM rhtaa| __mahAvIra kA vedana-svasaMvedana praznakartA : 'jJAnI vedeM dhairya se, ajJAnI vede roii|' to jJAnI bhI vedate to haiM na? dAdAzrI : vedanA to jAtI hI nahIM na! parantu ve vedanA ko dhairya se vedate haiM, hara eka vyakti kA apane-apane sAmarthya ke anusAra dhairya hotA hai| hAlA~ki bhagavAna mahAvIra sirpha jAnate hI the| eka khaTamala unheM kATe to use ve sirpha 'jAnate' hI the, vedate nahIM the| jitanA ajJAna bhAga hai, utanA vedate haiN| Apa zraddhA se zuddhAtmA hue ho, aba 'jJAna' ke anubhava se AtmA ho jAoge, taba sirpha 'jAnanA' hI rhegaa| taba taka vedana hai hii| vedana ke samaya to hama Apase kahate haiM na ki dUra baiThanA, apane 'homa DipArTamenTa meM!' z2arA-sA bhI hilanA-DulanA nahIM, cAhe jitanI ghaMTiyA~ bajAe phira bhI 'homa DipArTamenTa' mata choddnaa| bhale hI ghaMTiyA~ mAre! bAraha sau ghaMTiyA~ mAre to bhI hama kisa lie apanA 'oNphisa' chor3a deM? zAtA vedanIya aura azAtA vedanIya to tIrthaMkaroM ko bhI Ate haiM,

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AptavANI-5 73 parantu ve jJAna ke anubhava se, kevaLajJAna se 'jAnate' haiN| mana ko yadi DiscArja nahIM kare to vaha vApisa sAtha meM AegA, mAla-sAmAna sAtha meM aaegaa| isake badale to khAlI ho jAne do n| eka niyama aisA hai ki vaha khAlI ho hI jaaegaa| dravya-kSetra-kAla-bhAva, ve cAra ikaTThe ho jAe~, to vaha khAlI ho hI jAegA, niyama se hii| AtmA parama sukhI hai| azAtA to deha detI hai, mana detA hai, vANI detI hai| koI kucha kaha jAe to bhI azAtA vedanIya hotI hai| praznakartA : deha kI vedanIya ho, taba citta usameM adhika calA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| citta vahIM ke vahIM maMDarAtA rahatA hai| hama use kaheM ki bAhara z2arA ghUmakara A jA, phira bhI nahIM jaataa| ghara meM hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : usase phira baMdha nahIM par3atA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vedanA bhoga lenI hai| bhoge binA cArA hI nhiiN| baMdha to kartA bana jAe, taba par3atA hai| kartA miTe to chUTeM krm| citta kI zuddhatA - sanAtana vastu meM ekatA pulisavAlA cillAtA huA Ae, hathakar3I lekara Ae, phira bhI hameM kucha bhI asara nahIM ho, vaha vijJAna ! praznakartA : to phira citta kisameM rakhanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : citta svayaM ke svarUpa meM rakhanA hai| jo zAzvata ho usameM citta rkho| citta sanAtana vastu meM rakhanA hai| maMtra sanAtana vastu nahIM haiN| eka AtmA ke alAvA isa jagat meM koI bhI vastu sanAtana nahIM hai| dUsarA sabakucha TemparerI eDajasTamenTa hai! oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTsa! sirpha AtmA akelA hI paramAnenTa hai| sanAtana vastu meM citta sthira ho gayA, phira vaha bhaTakatA nahIM hai aura taba usakI mukti hotI hai| maMtroM

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74 AptavANI-5 ke jApa kareM, usameM citta kaba taka rahegA? jaba taka pulisavAlA nahIM AyA taba tk| pulisavAlA AyA ki japa bhI khatma ho jAegA aura citta bhI khatma ho jaaegaa| isalie vaha TemparerI eDajasTamenTa haiN| rilIfa detA hai, zAMti dene meM madada karatA hai, parantu hamezA ke lie kAma nahIM krtaa| isa japayoga kI z2arUrata hai z2arUra, parantu jaba taka sanAtana vastu nahIM mile, taba tk| jo citta sanAtana meM mila gayA, vaha zuddha citta ho gayA, aura zuddhAtmA ho gayA, taba videhI ho gyaa| aura videhI ho gayA arthAt mukti ho gii| yAnI videhI hone kI z2arUrata hai| ye to dehI kahalAte haiN| maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' taba se hI bhraaNti| 'jJAnI puruSa' hamArI nIMda ur3A dete haiN| pUrA jagat khulI A~khoM se so rahA hai, sonA arthAt 'maiM yaha kara rahA hU~', 'maiM kartA hU~' aisA bhAna rahatA hai| isa varlDa meM koI vyakti aisA nahIM janmA hai ki jise saMDAsa jAne kI svataMtra zakti ho aura khuda kI jo zakti hai, use khuda jAnatA nahIM hai| khuda kI zakti svakSetra meM hai| khuda kI zakti kSetrajJa hai| vaha kSetrajJa zakti utpanna ho gaI to kAma ho gyaa| kSetrajJa saMpUrNa zakti hai| bAkI saba bhrAMti hai| yaha japayajJa bahuta suMdara sAdhana hai, parantu jaba taka niSpakSapAtI bhAva utpanna nahIM hogA taba taka ke lie vaha sAdhana hai| vaha sAdhya vastu nahIM hai| sAdhya kSetrajJa hai| khuda kA svabhAva kSetrajJa hai| vaisA svabhAva utpanna ho jAe, vaha sAdhya hai| jaba taka pakSa meM par3A hai, taba taka bhagavAna nahIM mileNge| koI vaiSNava pakSa meM, koI ziva pakSa meM, koI muslima pakSa meM, koI jaina pakSa meM hai, taba taka bhagavAna kabhI bhI nahIM mileNge| yaha niyama hI hai| bhagavAna kA niyama aisA hai ki pakSa meM par3e hue ke sAtha milanA nahIM haiN| bhagavAna khuda hI niSpakSapAtI haiN| vaisA niSpakSapAtI bhAva utpanna hogA taba vaha bAta samajha meM aaegii| pakSa meM par3A huA aura saMsAra meM par3A huA, una donoM meM pharka kyA hai? Ar3AIyA~ praznakartA : Ar3AI (ahaMkAra kA Ter3hApana) kise kahate haiM?

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : ajJAnatA meM khuda kI bhUla ho gaI ho, usakA khuda ko patA cala jAe ki yaha bhUla ho gaI hai, phira bhI dUsarA koI pUche ki aisA kyoM kiyA, to aise kahatA hai ki aisA hI karane jaisA thaa| itanA adhika Ar3A hotA hai ki pUcho mt| loga kahate bhI haiM ki Apa to Ar3e ho| loga aisA kahate haiM yA nahIM kahate ki 'Apa Ar3A bolate ho?' praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : vahI sArI Ar3AI haiN| bhUla kI khabara nahIM ho aura use DhaMke, vaha bAta alaga hai| khabara ho aura DhaMke vaha sabase bar3I aadd'aaii| dUsarI Ar3AI vaha ki rAta ko kisIke sAtha hamArA jhagar3A ho gayA ho aura subaha vaha cAya dene Ae to kahe, 'mujhe terI cAya nahIM cAhie aura kucha bhI nahIM caahie|' vApisa Ar3A hotA hai| are, rAta kI bAta rAta ko gii| kala zanivAra thA, Aja to ravivAra hai| parantu zanivAra kI bAta ravivAra ko khIMca lAtA hai| zanivAra kI bAta zanivAra meM gii| ravivAra kI bAta phira se nii| praznakartA : zanivAra kI bAta ravivAra taka rahI yAnI usakA jo taMta rahA usa Ar3AI ko tor3ane kA rAstA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : Ar3AI ko tor3ane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| hameM dAdA kI AjJA pAlanI hai| 'vyavasthita' ko jAnA to kucha bolane-karane kA rahA hI nhiiN| 'vyavasthita' kA artha kyA? hamArI usake sAtha takarAra, jhagar3A kucha bhI nahIM rahA, vaha 'vyvsthit'| 'vyavasthita' arthAt 'vyavasthita'! 'vyavasthita' ko pUrA-pUrA samajhanA par3egA aura isa jagat meM auroM kI to bhUla hai hI nhiiN| jitanI bhUleM haiM ve sabhI khuda kI hI bhUloM kA pariNAma hai| nahIM to jeba kATanevAlA itane logoM meM se kisIko nahIM milA aura mujhe kisa taraha mila gayA? hamArI bhUla ke binA milegA nhiiN| do prakAra ke inAma haiN| eka to laoNTarI meM lAkha rupaye kA inAma Ae vaha inAma hai, aura sirpha hamArI hI jeba kaTa gaI, vaha bhI inAma hai| sabhI 'vyavasthita' hai|

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76 AptavANI-5 AtmA - eka yA pratyeka? brahmasvarUpa huA kaba kahalAtA hai ki kisI prakAra kA matabheda nahIM rhaa| pahale brahmasvarUpa kA daravAz2A AtA hai| ye sabhI mata vahA~ para mila jAte haiN| vahA~ bar3A daravAz2A hai| brahmasvarUpa huA kise kahate haiM ki jisakI vANI mata vAlI nahIM hotI, gacchavAlI nahIM hotI, sirpha AtmA saMbaMdhI vANI hI hotI hai, judAI nahIM hotii| vaha brahmasvarUpa hue kahalAte haiN| brahmasvarUpa hone ke bAda to AtmA, paramAtmA hI hai| vahA~ zuddhAtmA kI bAta hI kyA karanI? praznakartA : brahmasvarUpa eka hai yA aneka bhAsita hote haiM? dAdAzrI : eka aura aneka donoM haiN| kucha apekSA se eka hai aura kucha apekSA se aneka hai| vaha to brahmasvarUpa kI bAta hai| brahmasvarUpa kI Apa zuddhAtmA ke sAtha tulanA karate ho? vAstava meM AtmA pratyeka hai| yAnI ki jo AtmA vahA~ mokSa meM gae, unheM mokSa kA sukha baratatA hai, aura jo ba~dhe hue haiM, unheM baMdhana kA sukha baratatA hai| AtmA yadi eka hotA na to vahA~vAle ko mokSa kA sukha aura yahA~vAle ko bhI mokSa kA sukha baratatA! isalie AtmA pratyeka hai, alaga-alaga haiN| aura vahA~ para bhI alaga-alaga haiN| vahA~ eka hI hotA na to vahA~ jAkara hameM kyA phAyadA? hamArI sArI milkiyata unheM de deM? vahA~ siddhagati meM jAkara to khuda ke svayaM-sukha meM rahanA hai| vahA~ jAkara eka ho jAnA hotA, usase to yahA~ kyA burA hai? patnI pakaur3I-vakaur3I banAkara to khilAtI hai! bahuta huA to patnI jhir3akegI utanA hI na? dUsarA yahA~ kyA duHkha hai? galana kA rahasya 'jJAnI puruSa' kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki yaha khAte haiM, pIte haiM, vaha saba galana hai| jagat use pUraNa samajhatA hai, kyoMki jagat ko indriyajJAna se jo dikhatA hai, use satya mAnatA hai aura vaha yathArtha satya se bhinna hai| pUraNa kucha aMza taka Apake hAtha meM hai, sarvAMza rUpa se nhiiN| svarUpajJAna mile to khuda svasattA meM AtA hai, nahIM to nahIM aataa| yA phira matijJAna

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AptavANI-5 77 milA ho, taba bhI utanI svasattA prApta hotI hai aura matijJAna bhI svasattA kA AdhAra hai| matijJAna, zrutajJAna, avadhijJAna, ve saba bhI svasattA ke AdhAra haiN| paise kamAe, use jagat pUraNa kahatA hai aura nukasAna jAe yA kharca ho jAe, taba galana ho gayA, kahate haiN| vAstava meM kamAyA yA kharca kiyA donoM galana haiM, aura phira 'vyavasthita' ke adhIna hai| aba yaha jagat ko kisa taraha samajha meM Ae? yadi 'vyavasthita' kI sattA samajha jAe to khuda bilkula mukta ho jaae| phira khuda ke svarUpa meM hI raha skegaa| itanI bAta Apa jAna lo, taba phira Apako parezAnI nahIM rahegI na! Apa yaha bAta bhUloge nahIM, aura jagat ke logoM ko sikhAte raheM, phira bhI bhUla jaaeNge| kyoMki ve kaSAya sahita hai| kaSAya sahitavAle ke kAbU meM kucha bhI nahIM rhtaa| Apako 'jJAna' dete haiM phira Apako kitAba par3hane ko kaba kahA hai? yaha 'jJAna' to maukhika diyA huA hai| kitAba yA zAstra kucha bhI nahIM par3hanA hai, phira bhI pramANa meM vahI kA vahI jJAna Apake pAsa rahatA hai! kitAba kA yAda nahIM rahatA, maukhika diyA huA yAda rhegaa| kyoMki usameM 'jJAnI puruSa' kA vacanabala hotA hai| pustaka meM par3hane jAe~ to vaha jar3a ho jAegA phira se! isalie jagat pUrA galana svarUpa meM hai aura vaha bhI phira 'vyavasthita' bhAva se hai| ye mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra sabakucha 'vyavasthita' ke tAbe meM hai| usake tAbe meM ho phira Apako usakA rakSaNa karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai na? Apako to kucha bhI karane ko nahIM rahA na? sirpha 'dekhate' rahanA hai ki 'vyavasthita' kyA kara rahA hai, vaha! hamArI yaha 'vyavasthita' kI khoja bahuta ekz2ekTa hai| 'poinTa Tu poinTa' taka ekz2ekTa hai| isIlie to hama ise galana kahate haiM, to Apako Apake 'jJAna' meM rahane ke lie jaise hai vaise, ye saba spaSTIkaraNa dete haiN| isIlie to yaha 'akrama vijJAna' prakaTa karanA par3A hai! jise loga udayakarma kahate haiM, vaha sArA galana hai| usameM pUraNa kucha bhI nahIM hai| ye pA~coM indriyA~ udaya ke adhIna hai| ye pA~coM indriyA~ hI udaya ke adhIna haiM, vahA~ phira indriyoM ke karma to udaya ke adhIna hI hoMge na?

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AptavANI-5 pA~ca indriyoM kI kSayopakSama zakti udaya ke adhIna hai / phira indriyA~ jo dekheM-jAneM usameM nayA kahA~ se hogA? yaha bAta samajha meM Ae aisI hai yA nahIM? yahA~ para samajha jAte haiM, parantu merI anupasthiti meM to phira se AvaraNa A jAtA hai| hamArI upasthiti meM Apake saba AvaraNa khula jAte haiM, aura hamArA 'jJAna' lene ke bAda to AvaraNa hamezA ke lie haTa jAte haiM ! karmabaMdhana kisase hotA hai? 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', 'maiM AcArya mahArAja hU~' vahI karmabaMdha kA mukhya kAraNa hai aura 'yaha merA hai', vaha 'sekanDarI' kAraNa hai| kaoNz2ez2a cArja rUpa se hote haiN| jahA~-jahA~ 'maiM aura merA' lagAyA, vahA~ para utane hI kaoNz2ez2a hote haiN| aura koI kaoNz2ez2a nahIM hote haiM / cArja ko pUraNa kahA jAtA hai aura usakA jo DiscArja hotA hai, vaha sArA hI galana svarUpa hai| T 78 bAta ko sirpha samajhanI hI hai / yaha vijJAna hai / vijJAna ke aMkura phUTeM to vijJAna meM sabakucha dikhatA hai| vijJAna meM kyA nahIM dikhatA? isalie bAta ko smjho| kucha bhI karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / vijJAna meM karane ke lie kucha rakhA hI nahIM / yadi 'kare' na to vahA~ samakita nahIM hotA ! kucha bhI 'kare' to vahA~ samakita prApta nahIM hotA !! vicAroM meM nirtanmayatA praznakartA : yadi vicAra satAte hoM aura ciMtA karavAte hoM, unheM kisa taraha rokeM ? dAdAzrI : socanA, vaha kisakA dharma hai ? vaha AtmA kA dharma nahIM hai, mana kA dharma hai / Apane taya kiyA ho ki ye saba gAliyA~ de rahe haiM vaha kucha bhI mujhe sunanA nahIM hai, phira bhI kAna kA svabhAva suna lene kA hai / vaha sune bagaira rahegA hI nahIM / vaisA hI mana kA svabhAva hai| hameM pasaMda nahIM hoM, phira bhI bhItara ve vicAra Ate haiN| vaha mana kA svAbhAvika dharma hai / vicAra jJeya haiM aura 'Apa' jJAtA haiM / I isalie jo vicAra Ate haiM unheM 'Apako' dekhate hI rahanA hai, nirIkSaNa

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AptavANI-5 hI karate rahanA hai| ve acche haiM yA bure haiM, usakA abhiprAya Apako nahIM denA hai| cAhe kaise bhI bure vicAra Ae~, unameM harja nahIM hai| jisa bhAva se pUrvabaMdha par3e hue haiM vaise bhAva se karma nirjarA hotI hai| use hameM dekhate rahanA hai ki aisA baMdha par3A huA hai, usakI nirjarA ho rahI hai| apanA yaha 'jJAna' saMvaravAlA hai isalie nayA karma nahIM baMdhatA / vicAroM meM tanmayAkAra ho jAe~ to karma ba~dhate haiN| 79 praznakartA: ina vicAroM kA pariNAma kyA AegA ? dAdAzrI : pariNAma 'vyavasthita' ko sauMpa diyA hai| hameM kucha bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai| hameM to ArAma se gAr3I meM baiThe rahanA hai| mana kahe, 'gAr3I Age TakarA jAegI to?' use hameM dekhate hI rahanA hai, basa / usakA pariNAma 'vyavasthita' ko sauMpakara hameM ArAma se baiThe rahanA hai| praznakartA : itanA adhika sarala nahIM hai na yaha? dAdAzrI : sarala hai| jaba se nizcita kareM taba se rahA jA sakatA hai| kyoMki 'vyavasthita' ke tAbe meM hai / jo dUsare ke tAbe meM ho, usameM hama hAtha DAlane jAe~ to mUrkha baneMge ulttaa| Apake tAbe meM to itanA hI hai, 'dekhanA aura jAnanA' ki haqIqata meM kyA ho rahA hai, kucha bhI ulTA-sIdhA karanA hogA, vaha 'vyavasthita' karegA / vAstava meM 'vyavasthita' aisA nahIM hotA hai ki kucha bigdd'e| manuSya sattara varSa kI umra meM maratA hai, parantu usase pahale to 'mara gayA, mara gayA' aisA bekAra hI cillAtA rahatA hai / aura bhaya se trasta rahatA hai| jagat aise bhayabhIta rahane jaisA hai hI nahIM / mana hameM bhI dikhAtA hai ki 'Age eksiDenTa ho jAegA to ? ' to hama kahate haiM ki tUne kahA maiMne use noTa kara liyA / phira vaha dUsarI bAta karatA hai / mana ko aisA nahIM hai ki pichalI bAta ko hI pakar3akara rakhe / mana ke sAtha tanmayAkAra nahIM honA hai| tanmayAkAra hone se to pUrA jagat utpanna huA hai / mana ke bhAva sAre DiscArja haiN| una DiscArja bhAvoM meM yadi hama kabhI tanmayAkAra ho jAe~ to cArjabhAva utpanna hote haiM / hameM elivezana yA Diprezana sira para nahIM lenA hai| kucha bhI honevAlA nahIM hai, kucha bhI bigar3atA nahIM hai| maiM kSaNabhara ke lie

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AptavANI-5 bhI saMsAra meM nahIM rahatA hU~, phira bhI kucha bigar3atA nahIM hai| praznakartA : arthAt bhaya nahIM rakheM? dAdAzrI : bhaya hotA hI nahIM 'hamalogoM' ko! hama 'zuddhAtmA', isalie 'hameM' koI dekha nahIM sakatA, nukasAna nahIM kara sakatA, mAra nahIM sakatA, koI nAma bhI nahIM de sakatA! ye to khuda ke kalpita Dara se jagat sarjita ho gayA hai| kisIkI bIca meM daqhala nahIM hai| aura 'caMdUbhAI' z2arA narama ho gae hoM to hama unheM darpaNa ke sAmane khar3A rakhakara aise kaMdhA thapathapAkara kaheM ki "hama haiM na Apake sAtha! pahale to akele the, ulajhana meM par3a jAte the| kisIse kaha nahIM sakate the| aba to sAtha meM hI haiN| ghabarAte kyoM ho? hama 'bhagavAna' haiM aura Apa 'caMdUbhAI' ho| isalie ghabarAnA mt|" yadi caMdUbhAI bahuta eliveTa ho rahe hoM to unheM kahanA 'hamArI sattA ke kAraNa ApakA itanA rauba par3atA hai|' arthAt hameM homa DipArTamenTa meM baiThe-baiThe faoNrena kA saba nipaTAte rahanA hai| yaha nirlepa 'jJAna' hai, kucha bhI sparza nahIM kara sake, aisA hai! ____mana ke svabhAva kI sabhI haqIqata bArIkI se samajhane kI z2arUrata hai| sabhI cAbiyA~ jAnanI haiN| udAharaNa ke rUpa meM, pulisavAlA cakkara lagAtA rahe, yAnI kyA Apa para dhAvA bolanevAlA hai? 'Apa' kaho, 'nahIM', vaisA nahIM hai| pulisavAlA Apake lie naI jagaha banA rahA hai| vaha apanA hita kara rahA hai, aisA samajheM, yA yaha pulisavAlA hamArA nukasAna karane AyA hai aisA samajheM? mana meskyUlAina jenDara (pulliMga) nahIM hai, pheminAina jenDara (strIliMga) nahIM hai, vaha nyUTrala hai| isalie ghabarAne kA koI kAraNa nahIM hai| Apako 'jJAna' kI jAgRti rakhanI hai ki hameM dAdA ne kahA hai ki hama jJAtA-dRSTA haiN| bhale hI zora macAtA ho, jitanA macAnA ho utanA mcaae| usa ghar3I hameM z2arA sthiratA pakar3a lenI caahie| go Tu dAdA! aura bahuta duHkha A par3e, taba Apako kahanA cAhie ki jAo 'dAdA' ke paas|

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AptavANI-5 81 praznakartA : parantu dAdA, isa taraha hamArA duHkha Apako sauMpA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, haaN| dAdA ko hI sabakucha de denA aura kahanA ki 'jA, dAdA ke paas| yahA~ kyA hai ? idhara kyA hai? saba de diyA dAdA ko / aba idhara kyoM AyA?' praznakartA : sukha bhI de denA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, sukha nahIM / sukha Apake pAsa rakhanA hai| mujhe sukha kA zauka nahIM hai, isalie Apake pAsa rakhanA / Apase duHkha yadi sahana nahIM ho to mere pAsa bheja denA / do- pA~ca bAra duHkha kA apamAna karo ki 'idhara kyoM AyA hai? dAdA ko de diyA hai|' taba phira vaha khar3A nahIM rahegA | isa pudgala kA guNa kaisA hai ki apamAna ho to khar3A nahIM rhtaa| jo 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM, ve aciMtya ciMtAmaNi haiM / jaisA ciMtana kare vaisA ho jAtA hai| muzkila meM unakA ciMtana karo to muzkileM saba calI jAtI haiN| jaisA ciMtana vaisA phala dete haiM / phira hameM kisalie ghabarAne kI z2arUrata hai? sadvartana kI nApasaMdagI praznakartA: kaIbAra koI acchA vyavahAra kare phira bhI hameM pasaMda nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : pasaMda Ane kA hisAba cuka gayA, phira pasaMda nahIM aataa| pasaMda ho to sabakucha acchA lagatA hai aura nahIM pasaMda ho to sabakucha burA lagatA hai| hameM nApasaMda para dveSa nahIM karanA hai| praznakartA : rAga-dveSa nahIM hote, parantu eka bAra abhAva ho gayA phira kisI bhI taraha se bhAva hotA hI nahIM ! dAdAzrI : tU aisA raMga detA rahe ki bahuta acche manuSya hai, phira bhI nahIM cddh'egaa| hisAba cuka gayA / yaha ghara bika jAne ke bAda phira usa para

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82 bhAva rahatA hai? AptavANI-5 praznakartA : nA / dAdAzrI : aura bikane se pahale? kucha U~cA - nIcA huA ho phira bhI mana meM rahA karatA hai / hisAba cuka gayA ki calatA bnaa| I saMsArAnugAmI buddhi mata meM par3A huA ho usake saMskAra ekadama se jAte nahIM haiN| ve sabhI saMskAra sAmane Ae~ge, isalie pahale se Apako sAvadhAna kara detA huuN| yaha alaukika vijJAna hai| isakI sabhI bAteM alaukika haiN| yahA~ laukika hai hI nahIM! laukika arthAt matAgrahI / vaha phira digaMbarI ho yA zvetAMbarI ho, sthAnakavAsI ho yA derAvAsI ho, terApaMthI-merApaMthI, alagaalaga paMthavAle, vaiSNava dharma ho, zivadharma ho yA muslima dharma ho| sabhI laukika dharma kahalAte haiN| ve kucha galata nahIM haiN| acchA kiyA ho to puNya ba~dhatA hai aura usase bAda meM phira ghor3AgAr3I, moTara, baMgalA sabakucha milatA hai aura 'isa' alaukika dharma se mokSa milatA hai| praznakartA : ApakI chAyA meM Ane ke bAda yadi buddhi chala kare to usake jaisA abhAgA jIva koI nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, phira bhI chalatI hai / bahuta hoziyAra ko bhI chalatI hai| isalie Apa pahacAnakara rakho / buddhi koI bhI salAha dene Ae taba use kahanA ki 'bahana, tU tere pIhara jA / aba mujhe tujhase kAma nahIM hai / terI salAha bhI nahIM sunanI hai / ' mana kI salAha sunane meM harja nahIM hai, parantu sirpha buddhi kI hI salAha nahIM sunanI caahie| buddhi saMsAra se bAhara nahIM nikalane detI / mokSa meM nahIM jAne detI, vaha buddhi hai ! buddhi phAyadA-nukasAna dikhAtI hai| aisA ho jAegA, vaisA ho jaaegaa| phira Upara se vaha matAgrahavAlI hai| abhigraha (niyama pAlana karane kA eka prakAra kA Agraha ) kisakA ? mata kA / AtmA kA abhigraha karane ke badale mata kA abhigraha kiyA / bolo, aba vaha kaba aura kauna-sI

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AptavANI-5 83 jagaha para pahu~cegA? lAkha janma ho jAe~, phira bhI kucha hogA nhiiN| aMtaradAha jalanA baMda nahIM hogaa| aura 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa aMtaradAha hamezA ke lie miTa hI jAtA hai| jitanI buddhi bar3hatI hai, utanA dAha bar3hatA jAtA hai| buddhi saMsArAnugAmI hai| saMsAra meM hitakArI hai| parantu mokSa meM jAne meM bAdhA DAlatI hai| mana to sirpha socatA hI rahatA hai| jahA~ DisIz2ana nahIM hotA, vaha mn| anDisAiDeDa vicAra, vaha mana aura DisAiDeDa vicAra, vaha buddhi! yahA~ baiThe-baiThe kho jAe to samajhanA ki citta bhaTakane gayA hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa baiThe, taba buddhi samyak hotI hai| taba vaha buddhi sccii| samyak buddhi kaisI hotI hai? mata nahIM hotA, gaccha nahIM hotA, judAI nahIM hotii| dUsarA koI jhaMjhaTa nahIM hotA, aura gaccha-matavAlI buddhi mithyAbuddhi kahalAtI hai| 'yaha hamArA aura yaha ApakA' aise judAI karavAtI hai! __ AuTara buddhi-inara buddhi 'AuTara' buddhi (barhibuddhi) 'mikenikala' hai aura 'inara' buddhi (AMtara-buddhi), vaha svataMtra banAnevAlI hai| vaha buddhi bhI mikenikala (bhautika) hai| praznakartA : svataMtra arthAt? dAdAzrI : svataMtra arthAt isa varlDa meM koI hamArA UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) nahIM rhe| 'no boNs|' bhagavAna bhI UparI nahIM, aisA cAhie! ye UparIpana kisa taraha pusAe~? eka bhI UparI rahe, taba taka paravazatA kahalAtI hai! paravazatA kisa taraha pusAe? vaha jaba cAhe jhir3ake, usake lie kyA kahA jA sakatA hai? isalie UparI nahIM caahie| sAre UparI terI nAsamajhI se haiN| vahI samajhAne ke lie maiM AyA huuN| merA koI UparI nahIM rhaa| isalie maiM aisA kahanA cAhatA hU~ ki ApakA bhI koI UparI nahIM hai, isalie bAta ko samajho! praznakartA : 'mikenikala' buddhi se manuSya kyA prApti kara sakatA

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84 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : 'mikenikala' buddhi se saMsAra kI ye sArI bAhya cIjeM use milatI haiN| praznakartA : yadi 'mikenikala' buddhi ho to sabhI ko samAna mAtrA meM hI bAhya vastue~ milanI cAhie na? dAdAzrI : aura phira, hara eka meM mikenikala buddhi alaga-alaga mAtrA meM hotI hai| eka samAna hotI hI nhiiN| ina Aphrikana ko unake 'DevalapamenTa' ke anusAra buddhi hotI hai, yAnI ki hara eka manuSya kA 'DevalapamenTa' alaga hai| praznakartA : isameM 'mikenikala' kahA~ AyA? dAdAzrI : yaha tU khuda apane Apa ko jo mAnatA hai, vaha sabhI 'mikenikala' hai| tU khuda hI 'mikenikala' hai| jaba taka tere 'selpha' ko nahIM jAnegA taba taka 'mikenikala' hai, paravazatA hai| yaha zarIra bhI 'mikenikala' hai aura 'mikenikala' kA to kala subaha ekAdha 'pArTa' (hissA) ghisa gayA ki khatma! 'mikenikala' arthAt prvshtaa| vAstava meM, tU khuda ina mikenikala vastuoM se alaga hai| hameM roz2a peTa meM bhojana DAlanA par3atA hai na? yadi 'mikenikala' nahIM hotA na, to eka hI bAra khAyA to kAma pUrA ho jaataa| eka bAra khAne ke bAda phira khAnA nahIM pdd'taa| yaha to pUraNa karate haiM aura vApisa galana hotA hai| sabakucha 'mikenikala' hai| tU 'khuda' isase alaga hai| tU khuda isa 'mikenikala' ko 'jAnanevAlA' hai| yaha mazInarI eka prayoga hai aura tU prayogI hai| ina prayogoM kA tU 'jAnakAra' hai ki yaha kyA prayoga ho rahA hai, 'caMdUlAla' meM kyA-kyA badalAva ho rahA hai! usake badale tU kahatA hai ki, 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', to itanI bar3I bhUla kisa taraha pusAe? praznakartA : buddhi 'mikenikala' kaise huI? jAnavaroM meM buddhi hotI hai yA nahIM, kama yA adhika mAtrA meM? dAdAzrI : jAnavaroM meM aMta:karaNa sImita hai-'limiTeDa' hai aura

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AptavANI-5 manuSyoM kA 'anlimiTeDa' hai| jAnavaroM kA sImita hone ke kAraNa unameM 'DevalapamenTa' adhika nahIM ho sktaa| unakA mana-buddhi- citta aura ahaMkAra eka sImA meM hai / isa gAya ko baratana dikhAe~ to vaha daur3atIdaur3atI AtI hai, utanI use samajha hai / sAtha-sAtha use dUsarI kauna-sI samajha hai? yadi hama lakar3I lekara nikale hoM to vaha pAsa meM nahIM aatii| isake alAvA use nIMda kI samajha hai| unheM maithuna hai| bhUkha lage taba khAne kI samajha hai| kyA khAnA cAhie aura kyA nahIM khAnA cAhie, usakI bhI samajha hai, jo ki manuSyoM meM nahIM hai! ye sabhI jAnavara sUMghakara phira bhojana khAte haiN| sirpha ye manuSya hI kudarata ke bahuta gunahagAra mAne jAte haiN| praznakartA : 'mikenikala' buddhi manuSya ko kahA~ taka kA jJAna detI hai? 85 dAdAzrI : sarvanAza kare taba taka ! mikenikala buddhi 'abava naoNrmala' ho jAe, to vaha sarvanAza laaegii| yaha jagat sarvanAza kI ora jA rahA hai| 'mikenikala' buddhi hI 'abava naoNrmala' kara rahI hai| 'AuTara' buddhi kI 'limiTa' itanI hI hai ki jitanI hamArI z2arUrata ho, usake AdhAra para hI buddhi kA upayoga karane kI z2arUrata hai / usameM 'eksesa' karane jAe, 'yaha kyA aura vaha kyA?' vaha nukasAna karatI hai| I praznakartA : manuSya khuda kA rakSaNa kare, vaha nesesiTI hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : karate hI haiM na sabhI ! koI jAna-bUjhakara maratA nahIM hai| praznakartA : manuSya ko khuda kA rakSaNa karane ke lie 'eTomika nyukliyasa' (aNubama ) kI z2arUrata par3atI hai na? dAdAzrI : ye 'annesesarI problama' khar3I karate haiM! 'faoNrena 'meM aise 'DevalapamenTa'vAle deza haiM, jahA~ sar3asaThaveM mIla para fona kI vyavasthA rakhI hotI hai, phira ar3asaTha mIla para rakhI hotI hai| aba loga kahate haiM ki sar3asaThaveM mIla ke pahale pharlAMga para hamArI gAr3I meM paMkcara ho jAe taba hama kyA kareMge? isalie vahA~ para bhI phona rakho, tAki hameM calanA nahIM pdd'e|

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86 AptavANI-5 praznakartA : yAnI suvidhA hai, usase adhika suvidhA cAhie? dAdAzrI : suvidhA ko asuvidhA banA diyA hai ina logoM ne| 'abava naoNrmala' huA ki asuvidhA ho gaI? praznakartA : rakSaNa karane ke lie yadi manuSya buddhi kA upayoga kare to vaha naoNrmala kahalAegA na? ye eTama bama banAte haiM, vaha rakSaNa ke lie hI na? dAdAzrI : vaha rakSaNa nahIM khlaataa| sAmanevAlA vyakti bhI banAe to kyA hogA? phira kitanA adhika bhaya rahegA? yaha to sAmanevAle manuSya ko dabAne ke lie kiyA hai| aisA rakSaNa karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| kudarata isakA rakSaNa kara hI rahI hai| binA kAma ke aise tUfAna karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| aise sAdhana hI nahIM banAne caahie| mubaMI ke tAlAba meM z2ahara DAla deM to sabhI loga mara jAe~ge, vaha kucha buddhi nahIM kahalAtI! praznakartA : vaha durbuddhi kahalAtI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha durbuddhi bhI nahIM khlaatii| vaha to bhayaMkara khAnAkharAbI kI kahA jaaegaa| praznakartA : mujhe 'mikenikala' buddhi kI 'limiTa' jAnanI hai| 'inara' buddhi kI zurUAta aura usakI 'limiTa' jAnanI hai| dAdAzrI : jAnakara tU kyA karegA? praznakartA : mujhameM vaha kitanI hai, vaha mujhe jAnanA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha terI sArI 'AuTara' (bAhya) buddhi hI hai| 'inara' (AMtarika) buddhi hotI to isa tarapha jaldI jhuka jAtA, mere sAtha turanta hI 'eDajasTa' ho jaataa| tU khuda hI kahatA ki "merI 'sephasAiDa' kara diijie| merI svataMtratA ke lie kucha kara diijie| yaha paravazatA mujhe pasaMda nahIM hai|" paravazatA yaha nirI paravazatA! 'niraMtara paravazatA'! jAnavara paravaza aura manuSya

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AptavANI-5 bhI prvsh| vaha kaise pusAegA? sira du:khe to bhI upaadhi| paira dukhate hoM, A~kheM dukhatI hoM, dAMta dukhatA ho, taba bhI upaadhi| aise bhayaMkara azAtA meM kaise jIe~? yaha paravazatA thor3I bahuta samajha meM AtI hai tujhe? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : anubhava meM AI huI hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : tujhe vaha pasaMda hai? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : pasaMda nahIM ho to aisA kyoM nahIM pUchatA ki paravazatA kisa taraha jAegI? praznakartA : vaha to khuda manuSya apane Apa usakA 'solyuzana' nikAla sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : kucha hada taka 'solyuzana' nikAla sakatA hai| jaise-jaise umra bar3hatI jAtI hai vaise-vaise paravazatA bar3hatI hai, aura aMta meM marate samaya to paravazatA kI sImA nahIM rhtii| bur3hApe meM dAMta duHkha dete hai, zarIra duHkha detA hai, bacce duHkha dete haiM, bhAI duHkha dete haiN| bacce kahate haiM, 'Apa baiThe rahie aba, itanA bolate mata raho!' kitanI adhika paravazatA? praznakartA : paravazatA aura ciMtA, donoM sAtha-sAtha nahIM jAte? dAdAzrI : ciMtA, to 'abava naoNrmala' 'igoiz2ama' hai aura paravazatA to lAcArI hai| 'abava naoNrmala' 'igoiz2ama' ho to ciMtA hotI hai, nahIM to nahIM hotii| isa ghara meM rAta ko nIMda kise nahIM AtI hogI? jise 'igoiz2ama' adhika hai use|

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AptavANI-5 praznakartA : 'ina saMyogoM meM mujhase kucha ho nahIM pAegA', isalie ciMtA hotI hai aura usakA dUsarA 'sTepa' paravazatA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha paravazatA to hamane khar3I kI haiN| eka paravazatA to apane Apa khar3I ho jAtI hai aura vaha hai bur3hApe kii| paravazatA aura ciMtA kA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| koI bhI vastu bigar3e to ciMtA hotI hai| pariNAma ko lekara ciMtA hotI hai aura paravazatA to lAcArI hai| jagat ko paravazatA pasaMda nahIM hai| paravazatA hI nirbalatA hai| nirbalatA jAe to paravazatA jAtI hai| nirbalatA ho taba taka paravazatA nahIM jAtI, kyoMki hama sAmanevAle kA nukasAna kareM to vaha hamArA nukasAna kregaa| hama kisIkA bhI nukasAna nahIM kareM, kisIke lie bhI kharAba vicAra nahIM kareM, taba vaha paravazatA ttuuttegii| praznakartA : manuSya ko jIvana-yApana ke lie ciMtA hotI hai isalie phira paravazatA AtI hI hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha paravazatA alaga hai| vaha khuda apane jAla meM ghusa gayA hai| nahIM ghusanA ho phira bhI kudaratI rUpa se khar3A ho jAtA hai sbkuch| yaha cUhA piMjare meM kucha dekhe to taba vaha paravaza to nahIM hai, parantu bhojana dekhatA hai isalie lobha ke mAre aMdara ghusA to phNsegaa| lekina vaha paravazatA kabhI na kabhI chUTa jaaegii| yaha ciMtA karane kA phala kyA hai? to kahe, jaanvrgti| praznakartA : ciMtA nahIM ho usake lie upAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vApisa lauttnaa| igoiz2ama haTAkara vApisa lauttnaa| yA phira 'igoiz2ama' to bilkula khatma kara denA caahie| 'jJAnI puruSa' hoM taba, ve 'jJAna' deM to igoiz2ama sArA khatma ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : lAcArI kyA hai? dAdAzrI : lAcAra hue manuSya se pUche to lAcArI samajha meM aaegii|

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AptavANI-5 89 yA phira bahuta udhAra ho gayA ho, vastuoM kI muzkila par3atI ho, vAipha kahe ki 'vaha cIz2a kyoM nahIM lAte?' pAsa meM paise nahIM hoM, to nirI paravazatA lagatI hai| paravazatA meM se 'svavaza' hone ke lie yaha mahAvIra kA vijJAna hai| aura paravazatA meM se 'svavaza' ho gae to paravazatA phira sparza hI nahIM kregii| praznakartA : AtmA ko paravazatA nahIM hotI hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA ko paravazatA nahIM hai| praznakartA : to zarIra lAcArI anubhava karatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, zarIra bhI lAcArI anubhava nahIM krtaa| ahaMkAra lAcArI anubhava karatA hai| AdhAra-AdhArI praznakartA : jo honA hai, vaha hotA hI rahatA hai, cAhe kucha bhI kro| dAdAzrI : jo honA hai vaha hotA hI rahatA hai aisA bola hI nahIM skte| koI gAliyA~ de, usa ghar3I ciMtA nahIM hotI ho to vaha jJAna kAma kA hai| tujhe ciMtA to ho jAtI hai| pUre hila jAte ho| nirbalatA khar3I ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : ciMtA kise hotI hai? mujhe yA mere AtmA ko? dAdAzrI : tujhe hotI hai| praznakartA : yAnI zarIra ko hotI hai, aisA? dAdAzrI : tujhe khuda ko, tU terA 'selpha' jise mAnatA hai, use hotI hai| 'zarIra merA hai' aisA jo mAnatA hai, use ciMtA hotI hai| praznakartA : 'maiM bolA, parantu usameM mujhe kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai|' aisA maiM kaha dUM to phira ciMtA kA koI prazna hI nahIM hai na?

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : yadi tujha para isa saMsAra kA asara nahIM hotA to harja hI nahIM hai| isa jJAna ko samajhane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai / lekina tujhe kisI bhI prakAra se yaha saMsAra 'iphekTiva' (asaravAlA) lagatA hai? yaha saba 'rileTiva' hai| tujhe khuda ko asara hotA hai na? praznakartA : haaN| 90 dAdAzrI : vaha asara hotA hai, taba taka nirbalatA hai| bhayaMkara nirbalatA ! manuSya ko asara honA hI nahIM cAhie / ye to aise baMgale, moTareM saba sAdhana hote haiM phira bhI asara hotA hai, phira yadi sAdhana TUTa jAe~ to kyA hogA? manuSya kalpAMta kara-karake z2indagI nikAlatA hai! isalie AsapAsa kyA hai, vaha pahale se jAna liyA ho to phira Apa para vaha asara nahIM karegA, parantu nahIM jAnane ke kAraNa hameM sabakucha sira para lenA par3atA hai| rAta ko loga duHkha sira para rakhakara so jAte haiM aura nIMda nahIM AtI / jaba zarIra thaka jAtA hai, taba nIMda AtI hai| ise 'lAipha' kaise kaheMge? I 'tU' kauna hai? kisake AdhAra para 'tU' hai? usakI khabara nahIM hai 'yaha kisa AdhAra para hai' usakI khabara to honI hI cAhie na? AdhAraAdhArI kA saMbaMdha bhI samajhanA cAhie na ki hama kisa AdhAra para haiM? pulisavAle A rahe haiM aisA koI sirpha kaha de to unake Ane se pahale to khuda ghabarA jAtA hai ! itanI adhika nirbalatA kyoM honI cAhie? jagat to bahuta gaharA hai| bahuta janmoM se dekhA huA hai / parantu yAda nahIM rahatA na? isalie jAnane jaisA jagat hai ! aura, isa jagat meM kyA karane jaisA hai aura kyA nahIM karane jaisA, 'kyA jAnane jaisA hai aura kyA nahIM jAnane jaisA', itanA hI samajhanA hai I karttAbhAva, vahI kusaMga khuda kA doSa dikhane lage, taba se samakita huA kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : usameM namratA A jAtI hai ?

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AptavANI-5 91 dAdAzrI : namratA Ae yA nahIM Ae, parantu samakita taba se mAnA jAtA hai jaba se khuda ke doSa dikhane lgeN| nahIM to khuda kA eka bhI doSa nahIM dikhtaa| 'maiM hI kartA hU~' aisA rahatA hai! hamAre 'jJAna' ke lie karttAbhAva, vaha kusaMga hai| balki usakA nazA car3hatA hai| jahA~ karttApada hai vahA~ samakita bhI nahIM hai| samakita nahIM hai, vahA~ mokSa kI bAta karanI galata hai, nirarthaka hai! jisakA nididhyAsana karo... praznakartA : dAdA, Apake smaraNa aura nididhyAsana meM kucha farka hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nididhyAsana to mukhAraviMda sahita rahatA hai aura smaraNa mukhAraviMda ke binA raha sakatA hai| mukhAraviMda sahita nididhyAsana bahuta kAma nikAla letA hai| 'dAdA' 'ekjekTa' nahIM dikheM, usameM harja nahIM hai| A~kheM nahIM dikheM taba bhI harja nahIM hai, parantu mUrti dikhanI caahie| jinakA nididhyAsana kareM, usa rUpa ho jAte hai| 'dAdA' khuda svabhAva ke kartA haiN| dAdA 'ekjekTa' dikheM, to usa svarUpa ho pAe~ge, Apa bhI svabhAva ke kartA bana jAe~ge! dAdA kA smaraNa rahe taba bhI acchA aura nididhyAsana rahe taba bhI acchA hai| praznakartA : satata nididhyAsana nahIM rhtaa| dAdAzrI : dAdA ke smaraNa meM mana kI caMcalatA rahatI hai, citta kI bhI caMcalatA hotI hai aura nididhyAsana meM caMcalatA nahIM rhtii| nididhyAsana meM citta ko vahA~ para rahanA pdd'egaa| citta hAz2ira ho taba taka hI kAma clegaa| mana kI caMcalatA kA harja nahIM hai, parantu citta ko vahA~ para hAz2ira rahanA hI par3egA aura jahA~ citta hAz2ira rahe, vahA~ mana ko baiThe rahanA pdd'egaa| phira bhI pUrA dina dAdA kA smaraNa rahe to bahuta ho gyaa| parantu sAtha-sAtha thor3A nididhyAsana rahe to acchaa| svapna meM to dAdA 'ekjekTa' dikhate haiN| jinheM bhajate haiM, una jaise

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AptavANI-5 banate jAte haiN| jinakA nididhyAsana kareM, unake jaisA huA jAtA hai| citta ThikAne para rahe to nididhyAsana ho sakatA hai| 92 adhyAtma kA vAtAvaraNa praznakartA: koI rAjA - mahArAjA ke vahA~ yA kisI acchI jagaha para janma le, to adhyAtma meM Age bar3hegA na ? dAdAzrI : haaN| rAjA-mahArAjA ke vahA~ janma le aura dUsarA yahA~ acche ghara meM janma le ki jahA~ para, jahA~ jAe vahA~ iz2z2ata se rakheM / sasurAla meM jAe to vahA~ para bhI mAna sahita rkheN| jisakA bacapana se apamAna hotA rahatA hai, vaha mana meM nizcita karatA hai ki mujhe cAhe jisa taraha se ina logoM ke pAsa se mAna lenA hai / taba usakA dhyeya badala gayA aura vaha mAna kI tarafa calA jAtA hai| use yaha mAna kA mAla pusAtA hai| varnA dUsarI bhIkha ho, use vaha nahIM pusAtA / isa hindustAna meM janma huA, vaha anaMta janmoM ke AdhAra para huA hai| bAkI faoNrenavAle to adhyAtma meM punarjanma samajhate hI nhiiN| vikalpoM se saMsAra meM karmabIja yahA~ zIzamahala ho aura vahA~ hama akele khar3e hoM to hameM Der3ha sau dikheMge ! aisA hai yaha jagat ! vikalpa kiyA ki dikhatA hai / vikalpa ke pratispaMdana Ate haiM ye / praznakartA : vikalpa ke pratispaMdana Ate haiM, to phira saMkalpa kA kyA pariNAma hai? dAdAzrI : saMkalpa kA kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai| vikalpoM ke hI pratispaMdana Ate haiN|'sNklp' kA artha 'merA' huaa| vikalpa karane ke bAda koI vastu hamArI ho jAtI hai / taba hama saMkalpa karate haiM ki yaha merI hai 1 vikalpa se hI yaha saba khar3A huA hai| arthAt saMkalpa bAdhaka nahIM hai, vikalpa hI bAdhaka hai| nirvikalpa sabakucha miTA detA hai usakA / yaha to vikalpa hai, isalie saMkalpa khar3A huA / nirvikalpa ho jAe to saMkalpa

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AptavANI-5 93 bhI nahIM hai, vikalpa bhI nahIM hai aura kucha bhI nahIM hai| vikalpa to 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' taba taka vikalpa hI haiM, phira AcArya mahArAja hoM yA cAhe koI ho| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA bhAna rahe to nirvikalpa kahalAtA hai| aba nirvikalpa ho gae to nirvikalpa dazA rahatI kyoM nahIM hai? taba kaheM ki pichalA udhAra, pichalI kalamoM kA jo bhaMga kiyA haiM, una kalamoM ke dAve cleNge| ___ 'zuddhAtmA' hone ke bAda saMkalpa aura vikalpa donoM ge| aba mana meM se nikalate haiM, ve sabhI jJeya haiN| aba jaba taka khuda vikalpI hai, taba taka ve jJeya dikhate nahIM haiN| vaha to aisA kahatA hai ki, 'mujhe hI vicAra AyA hai|' varnA svayaM kalpa svarUpa hai| jaisA ciMtana kare, vaisA ho jAtA hai| svayaM nirvikalpa kyoM kahalAtA hai? taba kaheM ki ajJAnatA meM vikalpa kiyA thA isalie 'jJAna' ke bAda nirvikalpa kahalAtA hai| vApisa lauTe isalie nirvikalpa kahA gyaa| eka mAtra svarUpa kI tarapha ciMtana mur3atA nahIM hai| vaha madirA to 'jJAnI puruSa' utAreM, usake bAda hI usakA kucha ho sakatA hai| zubha ke bar3e-bar3e vikalpa kie hoM, to ve bhI phala dete haiN| kisIko mAra DAlane ke bhAva kie hoM, to vaisA phala AtA hai aura dAna dene ke bhAva kie ho to vaisA phala AtA hai| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai na ki jagat 'vyavasthita' hai, to phira use badalane kA vikalpa kyoM AtA hai? dAdAzrI : ye vikalpa to pahale vikalpa kie hue haiM, unake phalasvarUpa Ate haiN| bIja par3e hoM, to ugeMge hI na? phira vApisa Apa use ukhAr3a nahIM do, ugane do to phira se unake bIja Dalate haiN| nirvikalpa hone ke bAda use ukhAr3a denA hai| 'samabhAva se nikAla karane lagA, use hI 'ukhAr3ane lage', aisA kahA jAtA hai| jagat to bilkula 'vyavasthita' hai| bhagavAna ne kyoM nahIM batAyA?

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AptavANI-5 durjana loga durupayoga kareMge, jagat ulTe rAste calegA, isalie saccI bAta nahIM khii| 'vyavasthita' ke jJAna se Apako saMkalpa - vikalpa nahIM hote / isa jagat meM karttApana miTe, taba 'vyavasthita' samajha meM AegA / karttApana nahIM miTe, taba taka 'vyavasthita' samajha meM nahIM AtA / khuda akarttA ho jAe, taba 'isakA karttA kauna hai' vaha samajha meM aaegaa| khuda karttA nahIM hai, phira bhI karttA mAnatA hai, taba yaha samajha meM kaise AegA? 94 praznakartA : khuda kA kartRtva to chor3atA nahIM hai / dAdAzrI : haaN| isalie dUsare kA karttApana hone hI nahIM detA na ? varnA jagat hai to vyavasthita, parantu karttApana ke kAraNa kalpanA utpanna hotI hI hai| akarttA ho gayA, taba se hI hala A gyaa| taba taka krodha - mAna-lobha jAte nahIM haiM, bhaya jAtA nahIM / azubha ke karttApana meM se chUTakara zubha kA karttA banA, phira bhI karttA hai, isalie saMkalpa - vikalpa hue bagaira rahatA hI nahIM hai| aura yaha 'vyavasthita' samajha meM nahIM AtA, isalie 'merA aba kyA hogA' aisA vicAra AtA hai| mAyA vijJAna dvArA mukti praznakartA : mokSa meM jAne kI bhAvanA hai, parantu usa rAste meM khAmI hai to kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : kisa cIz2a kI khAmI hai? praznakartA : karma haiM na? karma to karate hI rahate haiM / dAdAzrI : karma kisase baMdhate haiM, aisA hameM jAnanA cAhie na? praznakartA : azubha bhAva se aura zubha bhAva se / dAdAzrI : zubha bhAva bhI na kare aura azubha bhAva bhI na kare, use karma nahIM bNdhte| zuddha bhAva hoM, use karma nahIM baMdhate / azubha bhAva se pApa baMdhate haiM aura zubha bhAva se puNya baMdhate haiM / puNya kA phala mIThA AtA hai aura pApa kA phala kar3avA AtA hai / gAliyA~ de, taba mu~ha kar3avA ho jAtA hai na?

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AptavANI-5 95 praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aura mAlA pahanAe~ usa ghar3I? mIThA lagatA hai| zubha kA phala mIThA aura azubha kA phala kar3avA aura zuddha kA phala mokSa ! praznakartA : jIva mukti kaba pAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : zuddha ho jAe to mukti pAtA hai| zuddhatA ko kucha bhI sparza hI nahIM krtaa| zubha ko sparza karatA hai| yaha zubha kA mArga hI nahIM hai| yaha zuddha kA mArga hai| yAnI ki nirlepa mArga hai| yaha 'vijJAna' hai| 'vijJAna' arthAt saba prakAra se mukta karavA detA hai| yadi zuddha ho gayA, to kucha bhI sparza nahIM karegA, aura zubha hai to azubha sparza kregaa| arthAt zubhavAle ko zubha rAstA lenA pdd'egaa| arthAt zubhamArgI jo kucha karate haiM, vaha ThIka hai, parantu yaha to zuddha kA mArga hai| sabhI zuddha upayogI, isalie aura koI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM / yaha mArga alaga hI prakAra kA hai| vijJAna hai yaha / vijJAna arthAt jise jAnane se hI mukta ho jAte haiN| karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai / jAnane se hI mukti ! yaha bAhara hai, vaha jJAna hai| jJAna arthAt jo kriyAkArI nahIM hotA aura yaha vijJAna kriyAkArI hotA hai / yaha 'vijJAna' prApta hone ke bAda aMdara ApameM kriyA karatA hI rahatA hai| zuddha kriyA karatA hai / azuddhatA use sparza hI nahIM krtii| yaha vijJAna alaga hI prakAra kA hai / 'akramavijJAna' hai !! praznakartA : jise niSkAma karma kahA hai, vaha yaha hai ? dAdAzrI : niSkAmakarma alaga hI prakAra kA hai / niSkAma karma to eka prakAra kA rAstA hai / usameM to karttApada caahie| khuda karttA ho, to niSkAmakarma hotA hai| yahA~ karttApada hI nahIM hai / yaha to zuddha pada hai / jahA~ karttApada hai vahA~ zuddhapada nahIM hai, zubha pada hai| praznakartA : zuddhatA lAne ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : karane jAoge to karma bNdheNge| 'yahA~ para' kahanA ki hameM

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AptavANI-5 yaha caahie| karane se karma ba~dhate haiN| jo-jo karoge, zubha karoge to zubha ke karma ba~dhege, azubha karoge to azubha ke ba~dhege aura zuddha meM to kucha hai hI nhiiN| 'jJAna' apane Apa hI kriyAkArI hai| khuda ko kucha bhI karanA nahIM pdd'taa| khuda mahAvIra jaisA hI AtmA hai, parantu bhAna nahIM huA hai na? isa 'akrama vijJAna' se vaha bhAna hotA hai| jAgRti bahuta bar3ha jAtI hai| ciMtA baMda ho jAtI hai, mukta huA jAtA hai! saMpUrNa jAgRti utpanna hotI hai| yaha 'kevaLajJAna' vijJAna hai| aisA-vaisA nahIM hai| isalie apanA kAma ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : Apa jitane jJAnI haiM, utanA jJAna prApta karane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : unake pAsa baiThanA cAhie, unakI kRpA prApta karanI caahie| basa, aura kucha nahIM karanA hai| 'jJAnI' kI kRpA se hI saba hotA hai| kRpA se 'kevaLajJAna' hotA hai| karane jAoge, taba to karma bNdhege| kyoMki 'Apa kauna ho?' vaha nizcita nahIM huA hai| 'Apa kauna ho?' vaha nizcita ho jAe to kartA nizcita ho jaae| sApekSa vyavahAra _ 'vyavahAra kyA hai' itanA hI yadi samajha le, taba bhI mokSa ho jaaegaa| yaha vyavahAra sArA rileTiva hai aura oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTsa enDa riyala iz2a da paramAnenTa eDajasTamenTa! nAzavaMta vastuoM meM merApana kA Aropa karanA, vaha 'roMga bilIfa' hai| maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, isakA pati hU~' ve saba roMga bilIfa' haiN| Apa 'caMdUbhAI' ho, aisA nizcaya se mAnate ho? pramANa hU~? 'caMdUbhAI' ko koI gAlI de to asara hotA hai kyA? praznakartA : bilkula nhiiN| dAdAzrI : jeba kATe to asara hotA hai?

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AptavANI-5 97 praznakartA : thor3I dera taka hotA hai| dAdAzrI : taba to Apa 'caMdUbhAI' ho| vyavahAra se 'caMdUbhAI' ho to Apako kucha bhI sparza nahIM kregaa| praznakartA : yadi aisA ho taba to hamameM aura dUsaroM meM pharka hI kyA? galata vastu ko tyAganA hI caahie| dhIre-dhIre itanA prayatna karate jAe~ to pharka par3atA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : yadi mokSa meM jAnA ho to galata-sahI ke dvaMdva nikAla dene par3eMge, aura yadi zubha meM AnA ho to galata vastu kA tiraskAra karo aura acchI vastu para rAga karo, aura zuddha meM acche-bure donoM ke Upara rAga-dveSa nhiiN| vAstava meM acchA-burA hai hI nhiiN| yaha to dRSTi kI malinatA hai, isalie yaha acchA-burA dikhatA hai aura dRSTi kI malinatA, vahI mithyAtva hai, dRSTiviSa hai| hama dRSTiviSa nikAla dete haiN| vinaya aura parama vinaya vItarAgoM kA pUrA mArga hI vinaya kA mArga hai| isa vinayadharma kI zurUAta hI hindustAna meM se hotI hai| hAtha jor3ane kI zurUAta yahA~ se hI hotI hai, vaha isase lekara TheTha sASTAMga daMDavat taka jAtI hai| vinayadharma to apAra hai, aura parama vinaya utpanna ho jAe taba mokSa hotA hai| praznakartA : 'parama vinaya' smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : jahA~ vAda-vivAda nahIM ho, daqhala nahIM hotA, jahA~ niyama nahIM hotaa| niyama ho vahA~ para parama vinaya nahIM sa~bhAla pAegA aura hameM niyama ke baMdhana meM rahanA pdd'egaa| hama to 'vyavasthita' jo kare, use dekhanevAle haiN| aura kucha hameM kahA~ pusAtA hai? 'rileTiva' dharmoM meM bhI jahA~ vinaya hai vahA~ mokSamArga hai aura vinaya yadi TUTe nahIM to mokSa hI hai| praznakartA : vinaya aura parama vinaya meM kyA pharka hai?

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| parama vinaya to manuSya meM utpanna hI nahIM hotaa| AtmA prApta karane ke bAda hI parama vinaya rahatA hai aura usake kAraNa judAI lagatI hI nhiiN| abheda dRSTi ho jAtI hai, abheda buddhi ho jAtI hai, aura jaba taka vinaya hai taba taka maiM aura guru mahArAja donoM alaga hI haiN| phira bhI vaha vinaya 'parama vinaya' meM le jAtA hai / vaha bhI eka sTezana hai| 98 'jJAnI puruSa' Apake avinaya kI noMdha ( atyaMta rAga athavA dveSa sahita lambe samaya taka yAda rakhanA, noTa karanA) nahIM karate haiM / Apako samajha lenA hai ki mujhe kaisA vinaya karanA hai aura kaisA nahIM ? aura ApakI bhUla ho sakatI hai, aisA hama jAnate haiM aura isa duSamakAla meM avinaya kI to noMdha hI nahIM kara sakate na? cauthe Are meM avinaya kI noMdha karanI par3atI hai| abhI to leTa go karanA par3atA hai| balki, avinaya kare use AzIrvAda denA par3atA hai ! mithyAbhAsa mithyAbhAsa arthAt kyA? eka bar3e phaMkzana meM bar3e-bar3e maMtrI Ae the| vahA~ maMca para saba baiThe hue the, taba mujhe bhI maMca para unake pAsa baiThAyA thaa| mujhe jaba 'jJAna' nahIM huA thA, taba mana meM aisI bhAvanA hotI thI ki yahA~ ke bajAya aisI jagaha para baiThane ko mile to acchaa| una dinoM mere lie usakI qImata thI aura abhI maMca para baiThAe to bojhA lagatA rahatA hai, vaha mithyaabhaas| praznakartA : parantu dAdA, Apako duHkhadAyI yA bojhevAlA nahIM lagatA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaise bojhevAlA nahIM lagatA / parantu usameM inTaresTa nahIM hotA hai| arthAt mukta jaisA hotA hai| hameM aba kahIM bhI inTaresTa nahIM rahatA / praznakartA : dhIre-dhIre hameM bhI inTaresTa kama hotA jA rahA hai, phira jIe~ kisa taraha?

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AptavANI-5 99 dAdAzrI : vaha moha thaa| moha mAra khilAtA hai| aba Apako mAra nahIM khilAegA aura saMsAra calatA rhegaa| binA ruci ke samabhAva se nikAla krnaa| praznakartA : vaha acchA kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : ve 'jJAnI' kahalAte haiM, inTaresTa(ruci) ke binA kareM ve jJAnI kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : ruci ke binA koI vastu kareM to usakA zarIra para asara nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : jo inTaresTa thA, vaha zarIra para moha kI mAra khilAtA thaa| usase zarIra para asara hotA thaa| isase to zarIra acchA ho jAtA hai| gulAba kI taraha khilatA hai| aura rucivAlA to mu~ha para araMDI kA tela cupar3A ho vaisA hotA hai| sahajatA aura dehAdhyAsa praznakartA : deha sahaja ho jAe, use dehAdhyAsa kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : Apane sahaja kise samajhA? sahaja kI bhASA meM sahaja samajhe ho yA apanI bhASA meM? jeba kATa le aura Apa para asara nahIM ho, taba dehAdhyAsa gyaa| deha ko koI kisI bhI prakAra se taMga kare aura Apa yadi svIkAra lo to vaha dehAdhyAsa hai| 'mujhe kyoM kiyA', to vaha dehAdhyAsa hai| jJAniyoM kI bhASA meM deha sahaja ho jAe to dehAdhyAsa gyaa| praznakartA : deha sahaja huI kaba mAnI jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : hamArI deha ko kucha bhI kare, phira bhI hameM rAga-dveSa nahIM ho, vaha sahaja kahalAtA hai| yaha hameM dekhakara samajha lo na ki sahaja kise kahate haiM? sahaja arthAt svAbhAvika, kudaratI, vibhAvika dazA nhiiN| khuda 'maiM hU~' aisA bhAna nahIM hai| praznakartA : sahaja kaba hote haiM?

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100 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : yaha 'jJAna' pariNAmita ho aura karma saba kama ho jAe~ taba sahaja hotA jAtA hai| abhI eka-eka aMza karake sahaja ho rahA hai, phira saMpUrNa sahaja ho jaaegaa| dehAdhyAsa TUTe, taba sahaja kI ora jAtA hai| jitane aMza taka sahaja hotA hai, utane aMza taka samAdhi rahatI hai| aba Apako vizvAsa ho gayA hai na ki mArga mila gayA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : jise vaha vizvAsa ho jAe, usake lie aMta A jAtA hai| varnA hara eka vastu kA aMta AtA hai, vicAroM kA aMta AtA hai, jJAna kA aMta AtA hai| sabhI kA aMta AtA hai, parantu sirpha ajJAna kA aMta nahIM AtA! dRSTA meM dRSTi par3I aisA jo kahate haiM na, vaha to dRSTA se bahuta dUra haiN| unheM dRSTA prApta karane meM to bahuta samaya lgegaa| yaha to hameM dRSTA prApta ho cukA hai| jise jagat DhUMDha rahA hai, vaha apane pAsa hai| aba usakA upayoga, zuddha upayoga kisa taraha kareM, vaha apanA kAma hai| vaha puruSArtha kahalAtA hai| Apa ghara meM se bAhara nikalo taba zuddha upayoga rakhate ho arthAt riyala aura rileTiva saba dekhate-dekhate Age jAte ho, usa samaya zuddha upayoga rahatA hai| yahA~ kisIke sAtha bAtacIta karane lago, usa ghar3I bAtacIta karate raho aura zuddha upayoga aMdara rakhate rho| bAtacIta kare, vaha caMdalAla karate haiM aura 'Apa' yaha saba dekhate rho| usa prakAra se upayoga raha sakatA hai, koI bahuta muzkila vastu nahIM hai| mana meM tanmayAkAra pariNAma nahIM hote, vANI meM tanmayAkAra pariNAma nahIM hote, vartana meM tanmayAkAra pariNAma nahIM hote, vahI zuddha upayoga hai| jAgRti Ate-Ate dera lagatI hai| dhIre-dhIre jaise-jaise kaSAya upazama hoMge, nikAlI kaSAya-DiscArja kaSAya kama hote jAe~ge, vaise-vaise jAgRti bddh'egii| aba naye kaSAya cArja nahIM hoMge, parantu jo 'DiscArja' kaSAya haiM, unakA 'DiscArja' hotA hI rhegaa|

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AptavANI-5 101 hama Apake ghara Ae aura Apa vAipha ke prati cir3ha gae hoM to hama usakI noMdha nahIM karate ki Apa yaha galata kara rahe ho| ApakI vaha cir3ha DiscArja hai| Apako 'jJAna' diyA hai isalie Apa kacce nahIM pdd'te| parantu DiscArja to hogA hI na? hama itanA hI dekha lete haiM ki upayoga thA yA nhiiN| praznakartA : dRSTi kA dRSTA DhUMr3hane kI bAta abhI taka mujhe samajha meM nahIM AI, vaha mujhe z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : hama saba dRSTA ko DhUMDhakara baiThe haiM, parantu jise svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM hai use kahate haiM ki, 'jisa para terI dRSTi par3a rahI hai vaha to dRzya hai, parantu vahA~ dRSTA kauna hai, usakI khoja kr|' aisA hama kahanA cAhate haiN| bAhara to yaha indriyadRSTi hai| parantu jaba mana kI sabhI kriyAe~ - mana kyA-kyA bolatA hai? kyA socatA hai? phira buddhi kI kriyA - buddhi kyA -kyA dikhAtI hai? phira citta kahA~-kahA~ bhaTakatA hai? ahaMkAra Dipresa ho jAtA hai yA eliveTa ho jAtA hai? ina sabako dekhate rahanA, vahI apanA dRssttaa| dRSTi kA viSaya dRzya hai aura hama dRSTA haiN| praznakartA : bAhara kI yA aMdara kI kisI bhI ghaTanA meM, koI bhI udaya ho, taba hama jAnate haiM ki yaha merA svabhAva nahIM hai, taba anubhava hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, hotA hai na! merA svabhAva yaha nahIM hai, aisA jo samajhatA hai vaha 'khuda ke svabhAva' meM sthira hotA hai| 'caMdUlAla' kitane bhI akulAe hue hoM, phira bhI 'ApakI' jAgRti jAtI nahIM aisA yaha 'jJAna' hai, aura akulAhaTa to hue bagaira rahegI hI nahIM, kyoMki bhItara bharA huA mAla hai DiscArja arthAt ulTI hotI hai, vaisI bAta hai! kisI manuSya se Apake Upara ulTI ho gaI, use lekara use DA~Tate nahIM ho, kyoMki usa becAre ko karanA nahIM hai lekina ho jAtA hai| usakA vaha kyA kare? vaise

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102 AptavANI-5 hI ye kaSAya ulTI kI taraha DiscArja hote haiN| phira acchA ho jAtA hai, bhUmikA zuddha hotI jAtI hai| upayoga kise kahate haiM ki haz2Ara-haz2Ara ke noTa gina rahA ho taba vahA~ se usakA upayoga dUsarI jagaha para jAtA hai kyA? vaha upayoga kahalAtA hai| vaisA upayoga hamArA niraMtara rahatA hai| hamArI hAz2irI meM raho to Apako bhI upayoga rhegaa| praznakartA : isa pada meM yA dUsare meM alaga-alaga mAtrA meM ruci hotI hai isalie aisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : ruci ko poSaNa dene kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| Apako to upayoga rakhanA hai| Apako kaha denA hai, 'caMdUlAla, dAdA ke darabAra meM baiThe ho, aba yahA~ para jo-jo cala rahA hai usameM Apa upayoga rakhakara clo|' phira Apako 'dekhate' rahanA hai, upayoga cUka jAo to turanta kahanA, 'caMdUlAla cUka gae, aisA nahIM honA caahie|' mujhe koI pA~ca ke noTa yA dasa ke noTa kI rez2agArI de to maiM kabhI bhI ginane nahIM baitthuu| paccIsa-pacAsa paise kama die hoMge parantu itanA ginateginate merA TAima kitanA bekAra jAegA! lakSmIjI ke bAre meM nispRha nahIM ho jAnA hai, parantu usameM upayoga nahIM denA caahie| upayoga to sabase bar3I vastu hai| yaha upayoga kaba taka denA hai? rAta-dina 'dAdA' yAda Ate rheN| unake bagaira acchA nahIM lage, unakA viraha lage, taba usameM se 'ilekTrisiTI' utpanna hone se prakAza hotA hai, saMpUrNa svayaM prakAza! virahI kI vedanA virahI kI vedanA utpanna hotI hai| virahI kA artha kyA? caina hI nahIM pdd'e| taba samajhanA ki saba jaMjAla se chUTa ge| nava vivAhitA ho, usakA pati oNphisa jAe to bhI strI kA citta pati meM hI rahatA hai- ghara para rasoI bahuta acchI banAtI hai phira bhii|

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AptavANI-5 103 yaha to aisA hai na ki paramAtmA abheda svarUpa se hai| abheda svarUpa kA viraha lage, to saMsAra to ApakA bahuta hI suMdara clegaa| yaha to daqhala karatA hai blki| saMsAra apane Apa cale vaisI cIz2a hai| jaisA yaha bhojana karane ke bAda aMdara phira sahaja calatA hai, usase bhI adhika bAhara sahaja cale vaisA hai! kudarata kA niyama aisA hai ki bhItara pAcaka-rasoM kI mAtrA Aja aise DAlatI hai ki pUrI z2indagI usakI mAtrA ThIka rahe aura abhAgA isa taraha DAla detA hai ki Aja DAle na to dUsare sAla akAla par3a jAe!! praznakartA : 'jJAnI puruSa' ke viraha meM jo vedanA utpanna hotI hai use kaisI vedanA kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha vedanA to ohoho! bhItara 'ilekTrisiTI' utpanna hotI hai aura usase svarUpa tejavAna hotA jAtA hai| vaha to bahuta uttama vastu kahI jAtI hai| viraha kI vedanA kA to mahAbhAgya se hI udaya hotA hai| bahuta samaya ke paricaya se use vaha hotA hai| jise mokSa meM jAnA ho, use vaha vedanA jagatI hai! usake lie Apako bahuta jaldabAz2I karane jaisA nahIM hai| itane sAre janma bigAr3e, aba eka-do janmoM ke lie kyA nukasAna honevAlA hai? itane janma bhaTakate rahe, usakI thakAna nahIM lagI aura aba do janmoM ke lie thakAna lagegI? saccidAnaMda svarUpa khuda kA svarUpa jo hai, vaha saccidAnaMda hai| st-cit-aanNd| yaha asat citta ho gayA hai| vaha sukha bhI kalpita hai aura duHkha bhI kalpita hai| kalpita hai phira bhI asara sacce jaisA hotA hai! saccidAnaMda, vaha mUla svarUpa hai hama sbkaa| praznakartA : saccidAnaMda svarUpa hara eka ke aMdara hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jIva mAtra ke aMdara hai aura vahI paramAtmA hai! saccidAnaMda svarUpa ke do bhAva haiN| eka svabhAva hai aura dUsarA vibhAva hai| vibhAva arthAt vizeSa bhAva, viruddha bhAva nhiiN| yaha to saMyogoM ke dabAva

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104 AptavANI-5 se roMga bilIfa ho gaI hai| praznakartA : yaha saccidAnaMda svarUpa sAkAra hai yA nirAkAra? dAdAzrI : vaha rUpI nahIM hai, arUpI hai yaha bAta samajhane jaisI hai| ekadama se ise samajhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| abhI kisa taraha prApti kareM, vahI samajhanA hai| nirAkAra kahA hai to abhI nirAkAra samajha lo, phira Age kA samajha meM aaegaa| nirAkAra to kisI hetu se kahA gayA hai| kucha hetu sahita bAteM aisI hotI haiM ki vaha hetu pUrA hone ke bAda meM samajha meM AtI haiN| AtmA niraMjana to hai hI, use karmoM ne chuA hI nahIM hai| Aja bhI ApakA AtmA 'zuddhAtmA' hai| sApha-sApha dikhatA hai, parantu Apa mAna baiThe ho ki mujhase nire pApa hue haiM, puNya hue haiN| sabhI 'roMga bilIfa' baiThI huI haiN| 'jJAnI puruSa' 'roMga bilIfa' tor3a dete haiM aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThA dete haiN| 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiTha jAe, taba 'maiM bhagavAna hI hU~' aisA bhAna hotA hai| prazasta moha mAyA arthAt ajnyaantaa| mAyA jaisI koI cIz2a nahIM hai| mAyA 'rileTiva' hai, vinAzI hai aura hama avinAzI haiN| vaha kaba taka rahatI hai? jaba taka hameM vinAzI cIz2oM para moha rahatA hai, taba taka mAyA khar3I rahatI hai| Apako svarUpa kA moha utpanna ho jAegA, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA moha utpanna ho jAe, taba mAyA khatma ho jaaegii| praznakartA : kucha samaya bAda svarUpa kA moha bhI nahIM rahanA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : svarUpa kA moha to acchA hai| use moha nahIM mAnA jaataa| use apanI bhASA meM moha kahate haiN| moha kA matalaba to mUrchA hotA hai| aura vAstava meM to use AtmA kI ruci nahIM kahA jaataa| aura deha kA moha kahalAtA hai| AtmA kI ramaNatA AI, taba para-ramaNatA dUra ho jAtI hai, usakA saMsAra TalA!

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AptavANI-5 105 praznakartA : gautama svAmI ko mahAvIra svAmI ne apane se dUra kiyA vaha isalie ki gautama svAmI ko unase moha thA, to vaha kisa taraha kA moha kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : vaha prazasta moha thaa| jo mokSa jAnevAle hote haiM una para bhI moha ho jAe, use prazasta moha kahA hai| parantu Akhira meM vaha prazasta moha hAnikAraka nahIM hai| vaha 'vastu' (AtmA) dilavA degaa| jJAna z2arA dera se hogA, parantu usameM harja kyA hai? vItarAgoM para moha, jisase vItarAgatA Ae aisI sabhI vastuoM para moha, vaha prazasta moha kahalAtA hai| phira vaha moha mUrti para hI kyoM na ho? parantu vaha vItarAgatA lAnevAlI vastu hai, isalie vaha prazasta moha kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : Apake Upara moha ho to vaha prazasta kahalAegA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'jJAnI puruSa' para moha honA to bahuta uttama kahalAtA hai| kitane hI janmoM taka tyAga kare, nirvastra ghUme, taba usakA saMsAra kA moha ghaTatA hai, taba use 'jJAnI puruSa' mila jAte haiN| mana, virodhAbhAsI praznakartA : mana samajhatA hai ki isa ora pha~sAva hai, pusAtA nahIM aura dUsarI tarapha saMsAra ke vicAra Ate rahate haiM, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai ki mana virodhAbhAsI hotA hai| hamArI samajha ke anusAra mana kAma karatA rahatA hai| hama jAnate haiM ki ahamadAbAda northa (uttara) meM hai isalie hama hamArA sTImara usa ora calAte haiM, parantu phira hamArI samajha badala gaI yA bhUla se dUsarI tarapha mor3a diyA to ahamadAbAda AegA kyA? arthAt mana sTImara jaisA hai| hama jaisA mor3eMge vaisA kAma degaa| isalie apane 'jJAna' se mana ko bahuta acchI taraha samajhAnA caahie| phira mana 'pharsTaklAsa' clegaa| mana isa bAta ko pakar3atA nahIM hai aura pakar3a le taba phira vApisa chor3atA nhiiN|

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106 AptavANI-5 praznakartA : to dAdA, use pakar3avAne ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vaha hama kara dete haiN| hama 'jJAna' dete haiM, usI dina ApakA AtmA jAgRta kara dete haiM, usase mana isa ora mur3a jAtA hai| zaMkA kA udbhavasthAna vyavahAra meM jo zaMkA hotI hai, vaha mana kA kAma hai| ve mana ke guNa haiN| usameM mana aura buddhi donoM mila jAte haiM, taba taraha-taraha ke bavaMDara uThate haiN| jaise havA ke bavaMDara uThate haiM na, cakravAta calate haiM na, vaise hI yaha 'sAyaklona' (cakravAta) aMdara calatA hai| praznakartA : usameM buddhi kA kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, buddhi hai n| mana svIkRti de taba buddhi kahegI, 'nahIM, aisA hai|' isalie phira zaMkA hotI hai| yAnI ki bhItara pArliyAmenTa hai| AtmA meM koI niHzaMka nahIM huA hai, AtmA meM ni:zaMka ho jAe to lakSya baiTha jaae| praznakartA : mokSa hone ke lie saMpUrNa ni:zaMka hone kI z2arUrata hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA meM niHzaMka honA par3atA hai, parantu AtmA kyA hotA hogA? ina logoM kA mAnA huA AtmA buddhi meM samAe aisA nahIM hai| logoM ke pAsa buddhi hai aura buddhi meM samAyA huA rahe, AtmA vaisA nahIM hai, parantu vaha amApya hai| jahA~ mejara (nApa) nahIM hai, taulanApa nahIM hai, vaisA AtmA 'jJAna' se jAnA jA sakatA hai| vaha bhI, jJAnI ke 'jJAna' se AtmA kA lakSya baiThatA hai, nahIM to lakSya meM nahIM aataa| praznakartA : 'konziyasa mAinDa' kise kahate haiM? vaha mana hai? dAdAzrI : vaha mana ko nahIM kahate, vaha citta ko kahate haiN| sahI mana jo hai, vaha to AtmA ke sAnidhya ke kAraNa utpanna hotA hai, jise apane loga bhAva kahate haiN| praznakartA : AtmA ke sAtha usakA saMbaMdha kisa prakAra kA hai?

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AptavANI-5 107 dAdAzrI : sirpha 'Taca'(sparza) kA hI saMbaMdha hai| sAmipyabhAva se cArja hotA rahatA hai| jaba taka 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' aisA bhAva hai, isakA phAdara hU~, ve saba bhAva hote haiM, taba taka 'Taca' hotA rahatA hai aura 'cArja' hotA rahatA hai| praznakartA : use sthUla mana kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, sthUla to ye jo vicAra karate haiM, ve haiN| vaha phiz2ikala hai| praznakartA : sthUla aura sUkSma meM kyA bheda hai? dAdAzrI : sthUla mana ke bAre meM to hara eka ko samajha meM AtA hai| socatA hai vaha sthUla mana hai aura sUkSma mana kA to patA hI nahIM cltaa| sirpha 'jJAnI puruSa' ko samajha meM AtA hai| loga 'bhAvamana, bhAvamana' aisA kahate rahate haiM, parantu vaha kyA hai vaha ekjekTalI pakar3a meM nahIM aataa| praznakartA : vaha kaba pakar3a meM AegA? dAdAzrI : vaha to 'jJAna' hogA tabhI pakar3A jA skegaa| 'jJAnI' banane ke kucha samaya pahale se bhAvamana ko pakar3a sakate haiN| jo ahaMkAra ko vilaya karatA hai, aise 'jJAnI' ko bhAvamana pakar3a meM AtA hai! svayaM 'zuddhAtmA' ho gayA isalie 'cArja' honA baMda ho gyaa| phira sthUla mana DiscArja hotA hI rahegA, vahI usakA kAma! praznakartA : usa para iphekTa hotA hai? dAdAzrI : mana kA svabhAva hI iphekTiva hai na? hameM samajha jAnA hai ki yaha merA svarUpa nahIM hai| taba phira iphekTa hameM chuegA nhiiN| __ parasoM Apane apane beTe ko koI kAra lekara ghUmate hue dekhA ho aura Aja koI kahe ki vaha kAra TakarAkara picaka gaI hai, taba Apa use dekhoge to asara ho jaaegaa| parantu vApisa koI kahe ki nahIM, vaha to kala hI bika gaI thI, to phira turanta hI asara miTa jaaegaa| sabhI vastue~

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108 AptavANI-5 iphekTiva haiN| parantu 'jJAna' ho to iphekTa nahIM hotaa| isalie hamane kahA hai ki mana iphekTiva hai, vANI iphekTiva hai aura deha bhI iphekTiva hai| dravyamana sthUla mana hai aura bhAvamana sUkSma mana hai| bhAvamana badale taba chuutteNge| sthUla mana zAyada nahIM bhI badale to harja nahIM hai| bhAva ke anusAra daMDa diyA jAtA hai| dravya meM hiMsA kA vicAra hotA hai, parantu bhAva meM alaga hotA hai, isalie bhAva ke anusAra daMDa diyA jAtA hai| dravya ke doSa kA daMDa yahIM para mila jAtA hai, aura bhAva ke doSa kA daMDa paraloka meM milatA hai| abhI jagat meM jo dharma cala rahe haiM, unakI thiarI kyA hai? ki bhAva nahIM badalate parantu dravya badalane jAte haiN| logoM ko kyA hotA hai ki dravya ke anusAra hI bhAva badalate rahate haiN| galata kare taba bhI galata karane ke bAda bhAva pakkA karate haiM ki aisA to karanA hI caahie| isalie apanI kyA khoja hai ki dravyamana ko yadi loga badalane jAe~ to vaha to kabhI bhI badalegA hI nhiiN| isalie hamane sthUla mana ko eka ora rakha diyA, sthUla kriyAoM ko eka ora rakha diyaa| deha kI tamAma kriyAoM ko eka ora rakha diyaa| hama svarUpa kA 'jJAna' dete haiM, phira sArA parivartana hotA hai, varnA dravyamana ke dhakke se hI manuSya calatA rahatA hai| bhAvamana kA kisIko bhI patA nahIM cltaa| bhAvamana hai aisA patA calatA hai, parantu vaha kisa taraha se kAma karatA hai usakA patA nahIM cltaa| praznakartA : vaha 'anakonziyasa' huA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ahaMkAra kI oTa meM, aMdhere meM saba kAma kara DAlatA hai| ahaMkAra kA aMdherA nahIM ho to dikhegaa| yaha bahuta sUkSma vastu buddhimArga-abudhamArga yadi saMsAramArga meM Devalapa honA ho to buddhimArga meM jAo aura mokSamArga meM jAnA ho to abudhamArga meM jaao| hama abudha haiN| hamameM z2arA bhI buddhi nahIM hai| buddhi sensiTiva rakhatI hai| buddhi ke do prakAra haiM: eka

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AptavANI-5 samyak buddhi aura dUsarI viparIta / yahA~ satsaMga hotA hai, taba ApakI jo viparIta buddhi hotI hai, vahI Tarna lekara samyak hotI hai aura vahI samyak buddhi mokSa meM le jAtI hai / praznakartA : abudha hone ke bAda 'kevaLajJAna' hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : abudha hue binA 'kevaLajJAna' utpanna hotA hI nahIM hai| jahA~ bhI buddhi hotI hai vahA~ vyavahArika ahaMkAra hotA hai, jJAnI hoM taba bhI, aura buddhi nahIM ho taba vyavahArika ahaMkAra bhI nahIM hotA / praznakartA : to phira buddhi ho vaha acchA yA nahIM ho vaha acchA? dAdAzrI : mokSa meM jAnA ho to buddhi kAma kI hI nahIM hai| buddhi to saMsAra meM bhaTakAtI hai / jahA~ jAe vahA~ para naphA-nukasAna dikhAtI hai / gAr3I meM baiThane meM bhI buddhi kAma meM AtI hai ki yahA~ baiThUM to phAyadA hai aura vahA~ nukasAna hai ! buddhi kI bhUkha aisI hai ki kabhI bhI miTatI hI nhiiN| isalie vaha to aMtavAlA honA caahie| pUrA jagat buddhijJAna meM hai / praznakartA : buddhi se Age jAnA cAhie? dAdAzrI : buddhi se Age gae binA cArA hI nahIM hai| taba taka mokSa hogA hI nhiiN| 109 - pratyakSa mokSa vartanA jJAnI kI AjJA praznakartA : aisA kyoM kahA jAtA hai ki jJAnI kI AjJA meM hI vItarAga samAyA huA hai? dAdAzrI : usa AjJA ke alAvA dUsarA koI rAstA hI nahIM hai na? jo jJAnI kI AjJA nahIM pAlatA, vaha mokSa meM jAne ke lAyaka nahIM hai / jaba lAyaka ho jAegA taba vaha AjJA pAla sakegA, varnA svacchaMda khar3A hogA / isalie zrImad rAjacaMdra ne kahA hai: 'roke jIva svacchaMda to pAme avazya mokSa, pAmyA ema anaMta che, bhAkhyuM jina nirdoss|

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110 AptavANI-5 pratyakSa sadguru yogathI svacchaMda te rokAya, anya upAya karyA thakI prAye bamaNo thaay|' khuda rokane jAegA to dugunA ho jAegA, aura 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa se unakI AjJA kA ArAdhana karanA, vahI upAya hai, dUsarA koI upAya nahIM jJAnI, bAlaka jaise yaha choTA baccA rotA hai, vaha buddhipUrvaka nahIM rotA hai, aura bIsapaccIsa varSa kA manuSya rotA hai, vaha buddhipUrvaka rotA hai, aura 'jJAnI puruSa' roe~, to ve buddhipUrvaka nahIM rote| bAlaka aura jJAnI donoM eka samAna hote haiN| donoM abudhabhAvavAle hote haiN| bAlaka kA ugatA huA sUrya aura jJAnI kA asta hotA huA suury| bAlaka ko ahaMkAra hai parantu use jAgRti nahIM hai, aura hama ahaMkArazUnya haiN| jahA~ buddhi kA upayoga karate haiM, vahIM para pApa baMdhate haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, hama caubIsoM ghaMTe ApakA nAma lekara bolate raheM to pApa nahIM baMdhege na? dAdAzrI : dAdA kA nAma lenA vaha khuda ke hI zuddhAtmA kA nAma lene ke barAbara hai| ye pada(bhajana) gAte haiM ve khuda ke hI zuddhAtmA kA kIrtana gAne jaisA hai| yahA~ sabakucha khuda apane lie hI hai| yaha AratI bhI svayaM khuda kI hI karatA hai| hamArA kucha bhI nhiiN| jise jitanA karanA AyA utanA hI usakA kAma hogaa| opana mAinDa 'mAinDa opana' nahIM rahe, hamezA ulajhA huA hI rahe, to mukta hAsya utpanna nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : opana mAinDa yAnI kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : yaha gur3a ke cAroM tarapha makkhiyA~ ghUmatI rahatI haiM, usI

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AptavANI-5 111 taraha mana aise kisI eka jagaha para maMDarAtA rahe, vaha opana mAinDa nahIM khlaataa| opana mAinDa jisa samaya jo ho usameM ekatAla hotA hai| ha~sane ke samaya ha~satA hai, bAta karane ke samaya bAta karatA hai, gAne ke samaya gAtA hai, sabhI meM opana mAinDa hotA hai| yogasAdhanA se paramAtmadarzana praznakartA : yogasAdhanA se paramAtmadarzana ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : yogasAdhanA se kyA nahIM ho sakatA? parantu kisakA yoga? praznakartA : ye sahaja rAjayoga kahate haiM, vaha yog| dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu kise rAjayoga kahate ho? praznakartA : mana kI ekAgratA hotI hai| dAdAzrI : usase AtmA ko kyA phAyadA? Apako mokSa cAhie yA mana ko maz2abUta karanA hai? praznakartA : sirpha paramAtmA ke darzana kI bAta kara rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : to phira becAre mana ko kyoM binA bAta parezAna karate ho? ekAgratA karane meM harja nahIM hai, parantu Apako paramAtmA ke darzana karane hoM to mana ko parezAna karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| praznakartA : ekAgratA se zUnyatA AtI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : AtI z2arUra hai, parantu vaha zUnyatA 'rileTiva' hai| 'TemparerI eDajasTamenTa' hai| praznakartA : usa samaya ye mana aura buddhi kyA karate haiM? dAdAzrI : thor3I dera ke lie sthira ho jAte haiM, phira vaise ke vaise| usameM 'apanA' kucha bhI nahIM hai| apanA dhyeya pUrA nahIM hotA aura yoga 'abava naoNrmala' ho gayA ho to vaha mahAna rogI hai| mere pAsa bahuta sAre yogavAle Ate haiN| ve yahA~ darzana karane ke lie aMgUThe ko chUe~ to usase

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112 AptavANI-5 pahale unakA pUrA zarIra kA~pa jAtA hai, kyoMki igoiz2ama nikalatA hai| jahA~jahA~ jo karo usa karttApana kA ahaMkAra bar3hegA, vaise-vaise paramAtmA dUra jAte jaaeNge| sAkSIbhAva praznakartA : sAkSIbhAva yAnI ki aMta A gayA na? dAdAzrI : sabhI bAtoM meM sAkSIbhAva rahanA caahie| 'caMdUbhAI nAlAyaka haiM' aisA kahate hI sAkSIbhAva nahIM rhtaa| jeba kaTa jAe taba bhI sAkSIbhAva nahIM rahatA, kyoMki sAkSIbhAva ahaMkAra se rahatA hai| sAkSIbhAva kA artha kyA hai? vAstava meM sAkSIbhAva vItarAga hone kA eka sTepa hai, saccA sTepa hai| sAkSIbhAva aura dRSTAbhAva meM bahuta pharka hai| jahA~ AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM, vahA~ AtmA nahIM hai| yaha sonA hai, vaha apane guNa meM ho taba taka vaha sonA hotA hai| dUsare ke guNa meM khuda nahIM hotaa| isa saMsAra meM jo dikhatA hai, ve saba dUsare ke guNa haiN| vahA~ khuda nahIM hotaa| khuda jJAtA-dRSTA hotA hai, parantu ekAkAra nahIM hotA, AtmA milAvaTavAlA nahIM hai, binA milAvaTavAlA hai| ___ kramika mArga meM sAre jAgRti lAne ke rAste haiN| usase jAgRti bar3hatI jAtI hai| jitane se vItarAga huA, utanI jAgRti use rahatI hai, aura jitane meM rAga-dveSa hai, utane meM jAgRti nahIM rahatI use| vyAkhyAna meM rAga-dveSa hai, logoM kI bAtacIta meM rAga-dveSa hai| bhalA karane meM rAga-dveSa hai| zubha karane meM rAgadveSa hai| unameM unheM jAgRti nahIM rhtii| rAga-dveSa ke kAraNa jAgRti ruka jAtI hai| jise tapa para rAga ho gayA ho, phira use dUsarA kucha nahIM suujhtaa| roke jIva svacchaMda to... svacchaMda chor3e to mokSa prApta kregaa| guru bhI svacchaMdI nahIM caahie| guru svacchaMdI to phira ziSya bhI svcchNdii| praznakartA : guru kisa prakAra se svacchaMdI nahIM hote?

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AptavANI-5 113 dAdAzrI : svacchaMdI hI hote haiM n| guru ke guru svacchaMdI, isalie svacchaMdI kA hI tuuph'aan| gRhasthI bhI svacchaMdI aura tyAgI bhI svcchNdii| svacchaMdI manuSya ko kaifa car3hatA hai| 'svacchaMda kise kahA jAtA hai' utanA samajhe to bhI bahuta ho gyaa| hamArI AjJA meM rahe, vaha svacchaMda se bAhara nikala gayA, phira saMsAra meM ApakA cAhe jo bhI svacchaMda ho, parantu vaha svacchaMda nahIM mAnA jaataa| AtmA ke bAre meM svacchaMda, use svacchaMda kahA jAtA hai| saMsAra meM to kisIko do baje cAya pIne kI Adata ho, usameM hameM harja nahIM hai| rAta ko bAraha baje nAztA karane kI Adata ho, usameM bhI hameM harja nahIM hai| vaha AtmA kA mArga nahIM hai, vaha to vyavahAra hai, saMsAra hai| jise jo rAsa Ae, vaisI bAta hai| sadguru kise kahate haiM? ye saba guru to haiM parantu sadguru kise kahate haiM? prabhuzrI ko sadguru kheNge| jinameM svacchaMda kA eka aMza bhI nahIM thA, unakA sabakucha hI kRpAludeva ke adhIna thA, kRpAludeva hAz2ira hoM yA nahIM hoM phira bhI unake hI adhiin| ve sacce puruSa the| svacchaMda se aMtarAya Dalate haiN| jo dharma ke bAre meM kucha bhI nahIM jAnatA, use aMtarAya kama Dalate haiN| aura dharma meM svacchaMda kiyA ki aMtarAya adhika Dalate haiN| jJAna, darzana aura vartana praznakartA : samajhanA cAhie yA vartana meM lAnA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vartana meM lAnA hI nahIM hai, vartana meM AnA caahie| samajhane kA phala kyA? to kahe, 'vartana meM AtA hI hai!' samajha ho phira bhI vartana meM nahIM Ae taba taka use darzana kahA jAtA hai, aura vartana meM Ae use jJAna kahA hai| praznakartA : samajha, jJAna aura vartana samajha cuke haiM, lekina phira vartana meM nahIM aataa|

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114 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAna ke binA vaha vartana meM nahIM aataa| 'samajha' arthAt anDisAiDeDa baat| ___ merI bAta Apa para z2abaradastI u~DelanI nahIM hai| Apako khuda ko hI samajha meM AnA caahie| merI samajha mere pAsa hai| z2abaradastI jora dekara to koI kAma nahIM hotaa| Apako vaha samajha meM A jAe phira Apa usa 'samajha' se cloge| jJAna meM kucha bhI karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| samajhane kI z2arUrata hai| jJAna meM aura 'samajha' meM kucha pharka hotA hogA kyA? mere pAsa se Apa bAta ko samajha lo, vaha 'samajha' dhIre-dhIre jJAna ke rUpa meM pariNAmita hogii| jJAna jAnate z2arUra haiM, parantu vartana meM nahIM AtA, use 'samajha' kahate haiN| jJAna kI mAtA kauna hai? 'samajha' hai| mAtA ke binA putra utpanna nahIM hotA na? yA koI putra Upara se TapakA hai? isalie mAtA to cAhie na? jJAna kI mAtA 'samajha' hai| vaha 'samajha' kahA~ se prApta hogI? vaha 'jJAnI' ke pAsa se smjho| zAstroM ke pAsa se samajho to zAstroM ke pAsa se pUrI samajha nahIM milatI, parantu thor3I hI samajha milatI hai| hama yaha 'jJAna' dete haiM, vaha 'kevaLadarzana' hai| isalie usameM sArI hI 'samajha' A gii| aba 'samajha' meM se vartana utpanna hotA hai| parantu 'samajha' hI nahIM ho to? vartana kabhI bhI nahIM aaegaa| pUrNa 'samajha', vaha kevaLadarzana kahalAtI hai aura vartana meM Ae vaha kevaLajJAna kahalAtA hai| kevaLajJAna pUrNAhuti hai aura kevaLadarzana, vaha kevaLajJAna kI biginiMga (zurUAta) hai| samajha kise kahate haiM ki Thokara na lage (ciMtA, kaSAya, matabheda nahIM hoN)| pUrA dina Thokara khAtA rahatA hai aura maiM samajhatA hU~, jAnatA hU~, karatA hai| to bhAI, samajha kise kahatA hai? samajha aura 'jJAna' meM pharka kyA hai? jo samajha vartana meM nahIM Ae, taba taka usa jJAna ko 'samajha' kahA jAtA hai| vaha samajha dhIre-dhIre 'oNTomeTikalI' jJAna ke rUpa meM pariNAmita hotI hai| vartana meM Ae taba jAnanA ki yaha jJAna hai, yAnI ki taba taka samajhate rho|

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AptavANI-5 115 zAstroM meM jAnane gayA, vaha jJAna kriyAkArI nahIM hai, aura yaha samajha kriyAkArI hai| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'taa| aMdara se 'jJAna' hI karatA rahatA hai| kriyAkArI jJAna, vaha cetanavaMta 'jJAna' hai, vahI vijJAna hai, vahI paramAtmajJAna kahalAtA hai / zuSkajJAna ko bA~jha jJAna kahA jAtA hai| papItA nahIM lagatA, aura mehanata utanI hI ! pUrA manuSyatva bekAra calA jAtA hai, isalie kucha samajhanA to par3egA hI na? yahA~ para sirpha 'samajhanA' hI hai, 'karanA' kucha bhI nahIM hai| jahA~ 'karanA' hai, vahA~ mokSa kA mArga nahIM hai / jahA~ 'samajhanA' hai, vahI mokSa kA mArga hai / jo 'samajha' jJAna meM pariNAmita ho jAegI, usa dina vaha cIz2a (doSa) Apake pAsa nahIM hogI / Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai / grahaNa - tyAga ke hamaloga adhikArI hI nahIM, kyoMki yaha mokSamArga hai / grahaNa - tyAga ke adhikArI, zubhAzubha mArga meM hote haiM, bhrAMtimArga meM hote haiM, yaha to kliyara mokSamArga hai| jaba vahI 'samajha' jJAna ke rUpa meM pariNAmita hogI, taba vartana meM aaegii| dAdA ne jo samajha dI hai, vaha samajha hI anubhava karavAtI rahegI / aise karate-karate, anubhavajJAna hote-hote jJAna ke rUpa meM vaha pariNAmita hogI, usa dina vaha 'cIz2a' (doSa) nahIM rhegii| mokSamArga AsAna hai, sarala hai aura sugama hai| samabhAvI mArga hai, kucha bhI mehanata kie bagaira cale aisA hai / isalie kAma nikAla lo| anaMta janmoM taka phira yaha yoga baiThe aisA nahIM hai / jJAna dI jA sake aisI cIz2a nahIM hai| jJAna to, jo samajha dete haiM usameM se utpanna hotA hai| jJAna utpanna huA vaha kaba samajha meM AtA hai ? 'yaha galata hai' vaha jJAna kaba kahalAegA? apane Apa vaha cIz2a (doSa) chUTa jAe tb| chUTa jAnA aura jJAna honA, donoM sAtha meM hotA hai / taba taka samajha meM to hai ki yaha nahIM honA cAhie, nahIM honA cAhie arthAt apanA yaha 'kevaLadarzana' yAnI ki kevaLa-samajha kA vijJAna hai / bAda meM phira kevaLajJAna meM AtA hai|

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116 AptavANI-5 praznakartA : samajhane ke bAda jJAna meM Ane meM kitanI dera lagatI hai? dAdAzrI : jitanA jisakA samajhanA pakkA, utanA usakA jJAna meM DevalapamenTa hotA jaaegaa| vaisA kaba hogA usakI ciMtA nahIM karanI hai| vaha to apane Apa hI jJAna meM pariNAmita hogA, apane Apa hI chUTa jaaegaa| isalie yahA~ para samajha-samajha karate rhnaa| 'jJAna' hI kAma kara rahA hai| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| nIMda meM bhI 'jJAna' kAma kara rahA hai, jagate hue bhI 'jJAna' kAma kara rahA hai aura svapna meM bhI 'jJAna' kAma kara rahA hai| 'dillI kisa taraha pahu~cA jAegA' isa bAta ko samajha to dillI pahu~cA jaaegaa| samajha bIjasvarUpa hai, aura jJAna vRkSasvarUpa hai| ApakI tarapha se pAnI kA chir3akAva aura bhAvanAe~ caahie| praznakartA : AcaraNa meM A gayA, vahI cAritra kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : cAritra kahalAtA hai, parantu vaha samyakcAritra kahalAtA hai, kevaLacAritra to kevaLajJAnI hI kara sakate haiM aura 'jJAnI puruSa' kara sakate haiN| praznakartA : kevaLacAritra aura samyakcAritra meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : samyakcAritra jagat ke loga dekha sakate haiM aura kevaLacAritra kisIko dikhatA nahIM hai| vaha indriyagamya nahIM hotA hai| kevaLacAritra, vaha jJAnagamya hai| praznakartA : zraddhA aura darzana meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : darzana zraddhA se U~cI cIz2a hai| zraddhA to azraddhA bhI ho jAtI hai| kisI para zraddhA baiThI ho to vaha zraddhA badala jAtI hai, aura darzana nahIM bdltaa| darzana ko badalanevAlA caahie| dekho kisIkA mithyAdarzana badalatA hai? guru para chaha mahIne zraddhA rakhe to vaha ur3a jAtI hai, vAstava meM vaha zraddhA nahIM kahalAtI, vizvAsa kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : zraddhA aura vizvAsa meM kyA pharka hai?

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AptavANI-5 117 dAdAzrI : zraddhA darzana se nIcA pada hai, parantu sthira hai, Dige nahIM aisA hai| parantu loga use nimna bhASA meM le jAte haiN| mahArAja sAhaba kahate haiM ki mujha para basa chaha mahIne zraddhA rakhanA / 'parantu sAhaba, mujhe Apa para zraddhA AtI hI nahIM to kisa taraha rakhU~? maiM TikiTa cipakAne jAtA hU~ aura cipakatI hI nhiiN| Apa aisA kucha kahie ki mujhe Apa para zraddhA Ae / ' maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~ ki zraddhA rakhane kI vastu nahIM hai| zraddhA AnI hI caahie| bhItara jo sUjha par3atI hai, vaha darzana hai| kisIko adhika sUjha par3atI hai aura kisIko nahIM bhI par3atI ! sUjha kudaratI dena hai / vaha ahaMkArI vastu nahIM hai| 'necarala giphTa' hai / hara eka ke pAsa apane-apane sAmarthya ke anusAra sUjha hotI hai| choTe bacce ko bhI sUjha par3a jAtI hai ! dharma kI dukAneM praznakartA: sabhI taraha-taraha ke dharma kahate haiM ki hamArA saccA hai, hamArA saccA hai, to kisakA saccA mAneM? dAdAzrI : vItarAgoM kA / vItarAga kI bAta samajhane jaisI hai, vItarAga kA kahA huA maannaa| ina sabhI dukAnoM meM saccI bAta nahIM hai| hara eka kI apanI bAta hai| hara eka kI dRSTi se saccI hai| kisIkI galata nahIM T praznakartA : sabhI bAtoM kA sAra yaha hai ki 'maiM' jAe tabhI kucha hogaa| dAdAzrI : jisa dukAna ke mAlika nahIM hoM, jo dukAna binA mAlika kI hai, vahA~ jAkara baiThanA / jahA~ para 'maiM' jA cukA ho, jahA~ para krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM dikheM, vahA~ para bAta sunanA, taba mokSa hogA, nahIM to mokSa nahIM hogaa| vyAkhyAna meM to sunanevAlA bhI alaga aura bolanevAlA bhI alg| vaha vyAkhyAna kahalAtA hai, AkhyAna nahIM / aura mokSamArga meM AkhyAna hI

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118 nahIM hai, to vyAkhyAna kahA~ se AegA? AptavANI-5 praznakartA : AkhyAna aura vyAkhyAna kA marma kyA hai? dAdAzrI : do-cAra logoM ke sAtha bAteM kareM, vaha AkhyAna kahalAtA hai aura pUre samUha meM boleM to vyAkhyAna kahalAtA hai| sAvadhAna, anukUla meM praznakartA : binA rAga kA prema anubhava meM nahIM AyA hai, arthAt vaha cIz2a sAmAnya kalpanA se pare hotI hai / dAdAzrI : ina dUsare sabhI logoM ke sAtha kA hisAba dveSavAlA hotA hai, unakA 'samabhAva se nikAla' karanA par3atA hai / ve pratikUla kaSAya kahalAte haiM aura yaha rAgavAlA anukUla kaSAya kahalAtA hai| anukUla ko jaba chor3anA ho taba chor3A jA sakatA hai, parantu anukUla meM bahuta jAgRti rakhanI par3atI hai| pratikUla kar3avA lagatA hai, aura kar3avA lagatA hai isalie turanta hI jAgRti A jAtI hai| anukUla mIThA lagatA hai| hameM svarUpajJAna nahIM huA thA, taba anukUla meM hama bahuta sAvadhAna rahate the| pratikUla meM to hameM khabara mila jaaegii| anukUla se hI saba bhaTaka gae haiN| kisIke ghara meM sA~pa ghusa gayA aura usane use dekha liyA ho to use hameM yaha nahIM kahanA par3atA ki sA~pa ghusa gayA hai, jagate rahanA! yAnI ki jAgRta rahane jaisA yaha jagat hai / ye jo bhUleM karavAtI hai na, jo jhoMkA khilA detI hai, vaha saba anukUlatA hI karavAtI hai / I baMdha nirjarA - nirjarA hotI hai taba, kabhI ekadama kar3avI to kabhI ekadama mIThI lagatI hai| una donoM ko hameM kar3ave - mIThe se alaga rahakara 'par3osa' meM rahakara 'dekhate' rahanA hai| kar3avA - mIThA, vaha eka niraMtara kA paudgalika svabhAva hai| praznakartA : zarIra meM nirjarA bhale hI ho / sa~bhAlane jaisA nahIM hai I

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AptavANI-5 119 dAdAzrI : sa~bhAlanA to kucha hotA hI nahIM na? aura sa~bhAlane se kucha sa~bhalatA bhI nahIM hai na? sa~bhAlanA hai khuda kA svarUpa! jaise bhAvoM se baMdha par3A ho, vaise bhAva se nirjarA hogii| vaha usakA svabhAva hI hai| baMdha 'khuda kI' hAz2irI meM par3A thaa| parantu yaha nirjarA gairahAz2irI meM bhI ho sakatI hai| hameM yadi saMvara (zuddha upayogapUrvaka karma kI nirjarA jisase naye karma cArja nahIM hote) ho phira bhI nirjarA ho sakatI hai| lekina baMdha 'svayaM kI' gairahAz2irI meM nahIM pdd'taa| ataH jisa bhAva se baMdha par3e the, ve khuda kI hAz2irI meM par3e the| aba nirjarA bhI usI bhAva se hogI, use hameM dekhate rahanA hai ki are! aisA baMdha par3a gayA hogA, aisA lagatA hai| praznakartA : jisa bhAva se baMdha par3ate haiM, usI bhAva se baMdha chUTa sakate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : usa bhAva se nhiiN| bhAva se baMdha nahIM chUTatA hai| usI bhAvavAle pariNAma utpanna hote haiN| jinheM krUra bhAva kA baMdha par3A huA ho, to vaha pariNAma dete samaya krUra dikhate haiN| parantu Aja ve bhAva hamAre khuda ke nahIM haiN| yaha to nirjarA ho rahI hai| use dekhate rahanA hai ki kyA nirjarA ho rahI hai! usa para se patA calatA hai ki kyA baMdha par3A thA, kisa bhAva se baMdha par3A thA, isa nirjarA kA rUTakaoNz2a kyA thaa| deva-deviyoM kA vicaraNa praznakartA : sAta kSetra, unameM deva vicaraNa karate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : deva to jahA~ para manuSya hoM vahA~ para jA sakate haiN| khAsa taura para tIrthaMkara hoM, vahA~ para devI-devatA adhika jAte haiN| apanI isa bhUmi para kama Ate haiN| apanI bhUmi kA nirI gaMdagIvAlI, durgaMdhavAlI hai, isalie yahA~ devI-devatA nahIM pdhaarte| 'jJAnI' hoM, vahA~ para devI-devatA Ate haiN| ye vidhi-pUjA vagairaha karavAte haiM to vahA~ para devI-devatA jAte haiM, phira bhale hI vahA~ para 'jJAna' na ho!

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120 AptavANI-5 dharma : adharma - vaha eka kalpanA ye dharma to kaise haiM? adharma ko dhakkA mAranA, usakA nAma dhrm| sirpha dharma ko saMgraha karake rakhanA aura adharma ko dhakkA maarnaa| kisIko dhakkA mAranA, kyA vaha acchA kahalAtA hai? praznakartA : adharma ko dharma meM badala denA caahie| dAdAzrI : ye dharma aura adharma, donoM kalpita hI haiM na? hameM kalpanA se bAhara nikalanA hai yA kalpita meM hI bhaTakate rahanA hai? kalpita to anaMta janmoM se bhaTakA rahA hai| dharma arthAt kisIke lie acchA karanA, jIva mAtra ko sukha denaa| parantu sukha denevAlA kauna hai? taba kahe, 'igoij'm|' dharma kA phala bhautika sukha-zAMti milatI hai aura adharma ke phala svarUpa bhautika azAMti rahatI hai| parantu isa taraha dharma karate hue bhI jAnavara meM jAnA par3atA hai| jAnavara meM kisa taraha jAte haiM? aNahakka kA ikaTThA karane kA vicAra Ae, vaha pAzavatA kI nizAnI hai| usase pazuyoni baMdhatI hai| haqa kA bhogo, haqa kI strI, haqa ke bacce, haqa ke baMgale bhogo, vaha mAnavatA kahalAtI hai aura khuda ke haqa kA dUsaroM ko de deM, vaha devatva kahalAtA mukti kA sAdhana - zAstra yA jJAnI? jo jJAna hitakArI nahIM hotA, use kaba taka sunanA cAhie? 'jJAnI puruSa' nahIM mileM taba tk| jaba taka iMdaurI gehU~ nahIM mileM, taba taka rAzana ke gehU~ mileM to vahI khAne par3eMge na? parantu yadi 'jJAnI puruSa' kA saMyoga mila jAe taba to phira Apa mA~ganA bhUla jAoge, AdhyAtma meM jo mA~go vaha milegA, kyoMki 'jJAnI puruSa' mokSadAtA puruSa haiN| mokSa kA dAna dene Ae haiN| khuda mukta ho cuke haiN| taraNatAraNa ho cuke haiN| khuda tara cuke haiM aura anekoM ko tArane meM samartha haiN| vahA~ sabhI cIjeM milatI haiN| mujhe Apa mile ho, isalie bAta kara rahA hU~ aapse| sarva jaMjAloM meM se mukta hone kA yaha sAdhana hai|

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AptavANI-5 121 praznakartA : dhArmika pustakeM jaMjAla meM se mukta hone ke lie hI likhI gaI haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu dhArmika pustakeM jaMjAla meM se mukta hone kA kisI bhI jagaha para batAtI hI nhiiN| ve to dharma karane ke lie haiN| usase jagat para adharma nahIM car3ha baitthtaa| isalie aisA kucha acchA sikhAte haiN| usase sAMsArika sukha milate haiM, ar3acaneM nahIM AtI, khAne-pIne ko milatA hai, lakSmI milatI hai, isalie dharma sikhAte rahate haiN| yaha to kabhI hI 'jJAnI puruSa' hote haiM, maiM jo bAteM kara rahA hU~, ve bAteM kahIM bhI hotI nhiiN| pustakoM meM bhI nahIM hotI, kyoMki isakA varNana ho sake aisA nahIM hai| yaha saba 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa hI hotA hai| ve Apako jo samajhAte haiM, vaha Apase buddhi dvArA pakar3A jA sakatA hai, aura ApakA AtmA kabUla kare tabhI maannaa| 'jJAnI' ke pAsa sIdhA honA pdd'egaa| Ar3AI nAma mAtra ko bhI nahIM calegI aura ApakI ciMtA jAe, matabheda jAe~ to samajhanA ki sunane kA kucha phala AyA hai| yaha to eka bhI matabheda nahIM gayA, dhyAna nahIM sudhraa| ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna hotA hai| usakA artha yaha ki dharma kA eka bhI akSara pAyA nahIM, phira bhI mana meM aisA mAna baiThate haiM ki 'cAlIsa varSoM se maiM dharma kara rahA hU~, maMdiroM meM, upAzrayoM meM par3A rahatA hU~', parantu usakA koI artha nahIM hai| mIniMgalesa hai| Apa apanA TAima bigAr3a rahe ho! khuda anaMta doSoM kA bhAjana hai, phira bhI khuda kA eka bhI doSa nahIM dikhtaa| khuda ke selpha kI ora mur3ane ke bAda isa 'caMdUbhAI' para ApakA pakSapAta nahIM rahatA hai, taba doSa dikhate haiN| abhI to 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA mAnate ho Apa aura jaja bhI Apa, vakIla bhI Apa aura abhiyukta bhI Apa! bolo aba, eka bhI doSa dikhegA? isakA kaba anta AegA? isa taraha kaba taka bhaTakate raheMge? aba kAla bahuta vicitra AnevAlA hai| jJAnI puruSa' mila gae haiM, isalie bhAvanA karake hameM apanA kAma nikAla lenA hai| varlDa meM koI aisI cIz2a nahIM hai ki jo hama deM to 'jJAnI puruSa' ko kAma meM aae| kyoMki unheM kisI bhI cIz2a kI bhIkha hI nahIM hotii| unheM

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122 AptavANI-5 lakSmI kI bhIkha nahIM hotI, kIrti kI bhIkha nahIM hotI. viSayoM kI bhIkha nahIM hotI, mAna kI bhIkha nahIM hotI, nirIcchaka, aise 'jJAnI puruSa', jinake darzana mAtra se hI pApa dhula jAte haiM ! unake pAsa baiThane se apAra zAMti kA anubhava hotA hai| kahA~ vItarAga mArga aura kahA~... jaise-jaise ajJAnatA bar3hatI hai, moha bar3hatA hai, vaise-vaise moha ke sAdhana adhika prApta hote haiM aura khuda apane Apako na jAne kyA mAnatA hai ki mere kitane puNya hoMge ki mujhe yaha baMgalA milA, paMkhe mile! isase to balki pha~satA jAtA hai| kIcar3a meM DUbane ke bAda jaise-jaise nikalane kA prayatna karatA hai, vaise-vaise adhika pha~satA jAtA hai, aisI dazA hotI hai! kahA~ vItarAgoM kA mokSamArga aura kahA~ yaha dazA? samyak AcAra bhI kisI jagaha para nahIM rahA hai, lokAcAra ho gayA hai| samyak AcAra ko to dekhakara hI hamaloga khuza ho jAte haiN| praznakartA : lokAcAra aura samyakAcAra, ina donoM meM kyA pharka dAdAzrI : lokAcAra arthAt logoM kA dekhakara AcaraNa karate rahanA aura samyak arthAt vicArapUrvaka AcAra, saMpUrNa rUpa se nahIM parantu jitanejitane aMzoM taka vicArapUrvaka karatA hai, utane aMza kA samyak AcAra utpanna hotA hai, parantu jo samyak AcAra hotA hai, vaha to sarvAMza hI hotA hai| bhagavAna ke zAstroM se mela khAe vaisA hotA hai| eka bhI jIva aisA nahIM hogA ki jo sukha nahIM DhUMr3ha rahA ho! aura vaha bhI phira zAzvata sukha DhUMDhatA hai| vaha aisA samajhatA hai ki lakSmIjI meM zAzvata sukha hai| parantu usameM bhI bhItara jalana khar3I hotI hai| jalana honA aura zAzvata sukha milanA, vaha kabhI bhI hogA hI nhiiN| donoM virodhAbhAsI haiN| isameM lakSmIjI kA doSa nahIM hai, usakA khuda kA hI doSa hai| yaha to lakSmIjI kI ora dhyAna detA hai aura dUsarI kisI ora dekhatA hI nahIM

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AptavANI-5 123 hai| isalie hamalogoM ke saMskAra bika gae haiM, giravI rakha die gae haiN| ise jIvana jIyA kisa prakAra kahA jAegA? hama hindustAna kI Arya prajA kahalAte haiN| AryaprajA ko aisA zobhA nahIM detaa| AryaprajA meM tIna cIjeM hotI haiN| AryaAcAra, AryavicAra aura aaryuccaar| abhI ve tInoM hI anAr3I ho gae haiM! aura mana meM na jAne kyA mAnate haiM ki samakita ho gayA hai aura mokSa ho jAegA! are, tU jo kara rahA hai usase to lAkha janmoM taka bhI ThikAnA nahIM pdd'egaa| mokSamArga aisA nahIM hai| puNya kA rAhabara praznakartA : jaba taka mokSa ke mArga para nahIM pahu~ca jAe~, taba taka puNya nAma ke rAhabara kI to z2arUrata par3egI na? dAdAzrI : hA~, usa puNya ke rAhabara ke lie to loga zubha-azubha meM par3e hue haiM na? usa rAhabara se sabakucha milegA, parantu mokSamArga para calate hue usase puNya ba~dhatA hai| lekina aise puNya kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| mokSa meM jAnevAle ke puNya to kaise hote haiM? jagat meM sUryanArAyaNa uge yA nahIM use to vaha bhI patA nahIM calatA aura pUrI z2indagI nikala jAtI hai, aise puNya hote haiM! to phira aise kacarA puNya kA kyA karanA hai? praznakartA : yaha mArga nahIM mile, taba taka to usa puNya kI z2arUrata hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ThIka hai, parantu logoM ke pAsa puNya kahA~ sAbuta bace haiM? kucha bhI ThikAnA nahIM, kyoMki ApakI kyA icchA hai? taba kahatA hai ki puNya karU~gA to pApa kA udaya nahIM aaegaa| jaba ki bhagavAna kyA kahate haiM? tUne sau rupaye kA puNya bA~dhA to tere khAte meM sau rupaye jamA hoNge| usake bAda do rupaye jitanA pApa kiyA yAnI ki kisI vyakti ko 'haTa, haTa dUra khisaka', aisA kahA, usameM thor3A tiraskAra A gyaa| aba isakA jamA-udhAra nahIM hotA hai| bhagavAna koI kaccI mAyA nahIM haiN| yadi puNya-pApa kA jamA-udhAra hotA, taba to ina baniyoM ke vahA~ thor3A bhI duHkha nahIM hotA! parantu yaha to Apa sukha bhI bhogate ho aura duHkha bhI bhogate

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AptavANI-5 ho / kaise pakke (mokSa ke lie pakke) haiM bhagavAna ! mAinasa (bAkI) to karate hI nahIM ! 124 jahA~ kaSAya vahA~ saMsAra svarUpajJAna ke bAda kucha bhI karanA nahIM hotA hai| isalie hamane kahA hai ki kucha karanA mata / karatI hai dUsarI zakti aura loga yoM hI sira para lekara ghUmate haiM, usake kAraNa balki janma bar3hate haiM / jahA~ kaSAya haiM, vahA~ para nire parigraha ke gaTThara hI haiM / phira vaha gRhasthI ho yA tyAgI ho yA himAlaya meM par3A rahatA ho ! kaSAya kA abhAva hai vahA~ parigraha kA abhAva hai / phira bhale hI vaha rAjamahala meM rahatA ho ! mere pAsa kahA~ parigraha haiM ? logoM ko lagatA hai ki dAdA parigrahI haiM / parigrahI yAnI sira para bojhaa| hameM kabhI bhI bojhA nahIM lagatA / zarIra kA bhI bojhA hameM nahIM lagatA! phira bhI ye dAdA khAte haiM, pIte haiM, vivAha meM jAte haiM, smazAna meM jAte haiM!!! vItarAga itanA hI dekhate haiM ki kaSAya kA abhAva hai yA nahIM? phira ve tyAgI kI gaddI nahIM dekhate aura gRhasthI kI gaddI bhI nahIM dekhate ! kaSAya kA abhAva hai yA nahIM itanA hI dekhate haiM / yA phira kaSAyamaMdatA baratatI hai yA kyA? sAdhuoM meM kucha, do - pA~ca pratizata bhadra svabhAvI, maMdakaSAyI hote haiN| praznakartA : ve samajhadArI meM maMda kahalAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : samajhadArI meM nahIM, yoM hI svAbhAvika bhadra, phira bhI unheM bhagavAna ne kaSAya rahita nahIM kahA / 'maiM hU~', 'maiM hU~' bolate haiM to vaha kaSAya hai| kRpAludeva kI pustakeM par3hane se maMdakaSAyI huA jA sakatA hai, parantu vaha logoM ko samajha meM nahIM aayaa| maMdakaSAyI kise kahate haiM? kaSAya utpanna hote haiM usakA khuda ko patA calatA hai, parantu dUsare kisIko patA nahIM calane dete| kaSAyoM ko mor3A jA sake aisI dazA / kaSAya saMsAra kA

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AptavANI-5 125 svarUpa haiM aura akaSAya mokSa svarUpa hai| kaSAya mUla hai| yadi kaSAya gae to kAma ho gayA, nahIM to sAdhu bhI nahIM aura saMnyAsI bhI nhiiN| isake badale to maMdakaSAyavAle gRhasthI acche| vRddhoM kI vyathA ye bhAI svabhAva se maMdakaSAyI haiM, parantu 'jJAna' ke binA citta kisameM rahegA? pUre dina vyavasAya meM, baccoM meM, koI AyA ho usameM, khAne-pIne meM citta calA jAtA hai| citta sArA inhIM meM bikhara jAtA hai| isase puNya milatA hai parantu aba kaba taka anAja kI bAleM kATeM? bAjarA boo, kATo, aura khaao| boo, kATo aura khaao| aisA kAma kaba taka karate raheM? phira, binA pUche salAha bhI dete haiM ! beTA pitAjI se nahIM pUche phira bhI, 'khar3A raha, khar3A raha, tU bhUla kara legA' karake salAha de AtA hai| bhagavAna kahate haiM ki bacce bahuta parezAnI meM par3a gae hoM, taba javAba denaa| hA~, vaha pUchatA rahe, taba duniyAdArI meM hameM javAba denA hI pdd'egaa| bagaira pUche khuda ke upayogavAlA kauna aklamaMdI karegA? Apa rupaye gina rahe hoM aura beTA Apase vyavasAya kI bAta pUchane Ae, taba Apako aisA hotA hai ki yaha bAteM kama kare to acchaa| vaise hI AtmA ke lie niraMtara honA caahie| phira bhI vyavahAra hai to usameM par3e bagaira calegA nahIM, parantu bhItara jAnabUjhakara hAtha nahIM DAlanA caahie| praznakartA : beTe ko anubhava kama hotA hai aura kucha bhUla kare aisA dikhe, to kahane kA mana hogA na? dAdAzrI : yaha bAta to Apake pitAzrI hote na, to ve bhI Apako kahate ki 'bhAI abhI kaccA hai!' aura unake pitAzrI hote to ve bhI aisA hI kahate! yaha hindustAna kA rivAja hai| ise hI ovaravAiz2a honA kahA hai bhagavAna ne| sATha varSa ke pitA the, ve bhI kaheMge ki abhI baccA hai na! are, kaisA baccA? dAdA ho gayA hai na aba! yaha Apako jo 'jJAna' hai na, vaha apane gujarAtiyoM meM aMtima ghar3I

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AptavANI-5 meM par3e hoM, phira bhI aisA hotA hai ki merA zarIra calA jAegA, phira ye bacce kyA kareMge? yaha saba burI Adata hai eka prakAra kI / 'vyavasthita' karanevAlA hai| Apa dekhoge tabhI taka use pakar3akara rakhoge na ! aura ApakI dRSTi se bAhara calA jAe taba ? isalie hameM pUche usakA hI javAba | beTe ko anubhava ho yA nahIM ho, vaha hameM nahIM dekhanA hai / vyApAra kara rahA ho, taba kabhI mana aisA bhI kahatA hai ki calo, Aja z2arA grAhaka z2yAdA haiM to beTA dhokhA khA jaaegaa| isalie calo, maiM dukAna para jAkara baiThUM ! aisI pIr3A meM hama kahA~ par3eM? hamane beToM ko bar3A kiyA, par3hAyA, zAdI karavAI, phira aba kyA lenA-denA? hameM apane AtmA kA karanA hai| aba 'saba sabakI sa~bhAlo' aisA niyama hai| ye grAhaka - vyApArI ke saMbaMdha haiN| pahale ajJAnatA ke kAraNa gahare utara gae the| aba hameM 'jJAna' se samajha meM A jAnA caahie| 126 akrama mArga se akaSAyAvasthA jisane kaSAyabhAva ko jItA, vaha arihaMta kahalAyA! jahA~ 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' hai, vahA~ kaSAyabhAva nahIM rahate / jahA~ zuddha upayoga ho, vahA~ para kaSAyabhAva nahIM rhte| jahA~ zuddhAtmA hai vahA~ kaSAya nahIM haiM aura jahA~ kaSAya haiM, vahA~ zuddhAtmA nahIM hai / 'akrama jJAna' meM kaSAya hote hI nahIM / kramika mArga meM aisA hai ki azAtA vedanIya ho to karma ba~dhe bagaira rahate hI nahIM / jaba ki 'akrama' meM usameM karma nahIM ba~dhate parantu utane samaya taka vedanA bhoganI hI par3atI hai| praznakartA : yaha 'akrama jJAna' kI mahattA hai na? dAdAzrI : bahuta bar3I mahattA hai ! gaz2aba kA vikAsa hai yaha! nahIM to eka aMza bhI kaSAya kama nahIM hote| satsaMga kI AvazyakatA jIva avyavahAra rAzi meM se vyavahAra rAzi meM AyA to mokSa meM jAne taka 'vyavasthita' hai| jhaMjhaTa nahIM kare to 'vyavasthita' mokSa meM hI le jAe,

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AptavANI-5 127 parantu jhaMjhaTa kie bagaira rahatA hI nahIM na? praznakartA : to Apake hisAba se satsaMga bhI bekAra kA jhaMjhaTa hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, jhaMjhaTa hI khlaaegaa| yaha karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| yaha to gRhita mithyAtva ke kAraNa ulTA kiyA hai, isalie sIdhA karanA par3a rahA hai| cAya-cInI dhIre-dhIre pighalatI hI rahatI hai na? usI prakAra yaha AtmA dhIre-dhIre mokSa kI tarapha hI jA rahA hai| satsaMga bhI aMta meM Apase kyA kahatA hai? kucha karanA mt| jo pariNAma ho use dekhate rho| niyativAda praznakartA : saba 'vyavasthita' ho to karane kI koI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha saba 'vyavasthita' hI hai| praznakartA : to vaha niyativAda huA yA sabakucha nizcita hI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, niyativAda hotA, taba to vaha Agraha ho gyaa| hama jIta gae aisA vaha kahegA, phira to niyati bhagavAna hI mAnI jaaegii| sirpha niyati hI ekelA kAraNa nahIM hai| samuccaya kAraNoM se huA hai| isalie hama kahate haiM ki 'onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' (sirpha vaijJAnika saMyogika pramANa) hai| niyativAda hotA taba to ArAma ho jAtA! niyativAda arthAt yahA~ se samudra meM DAlA, to kinAre para pahu~cegA hii| praznakartA : niyativAda arthAt prArabdhavAda aisA kahA hai| dAdAzrI : prArabdha aura nasIba, ve niyati nahIM haiN| niyati alaga vastu hai| niyati arthAt isa saMsAra ke jIvoM kA jo pravAha cala rahA hai vaha kisI niyati ke niyama kA anusaraNa karake cala rahA hai, parantu dUsare bahuta sAre kAraNa Ate haiM, jaise ki kAla hai, kSetra hai|

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128 AptavANI-5 zuddha cidrUpa praznakartA : citta kI zuddhi kisa taraha hotI hai? dAdAzrI : yaha citta kI zuddhi hI kara rahe ho na? citta kA artha loga apanI-apanI bhASA meM samajhate haiM, citta nAma kI vastu kucha alaga hai aisA samajhate haiN| citta arthAt jJAna-darzana milAne se jo bhAva utpanna hotA hai vh| citta kI zuddhi karanI arthAt jJAna-darzana kI zuddhi krnii| zuddhAtmA ko kyA kahate haiM? zuddha 'cidruup'| jisakA jJAna-darzana zuddha huA hai, aisA jo svarUpa khuda kA hai, vahI zuddha cidrUpa hai| praznakartA : jise hama saccidAnaMda kahate haiM vaha? dAdAzrI : saccidAnaMda to anubhavadazA hai aura yaha zuddhAtmA vaha pratIti aura lakSya dazA hai| vahI kI vahI vastu, zuddha cidrUpa aura zuddhAtmA, eka hI cIz2a hai| hama svarUpa kA 'jJAna' dete haiM taba ApakA citta saMpUrNa zuddha ho jAtA hai| aba sirpha yaha buddhi hI parezAna karatI hai, vahA~ sa~bhAla lenA hai| buddhi ko sammAnapUrvaka vApisa bheja denaa| jahA~ khuda kA svarUpa hai, vahA~ para ahaMkAra nahIM hai| kalpita jagaha para 'maiM hU~' bolanA vaha ahaMkAra aura mUla jagaha para 'maiM', use ahaMkAra nahIM khte| vaha nirvikalpa jagaha hai| manuSya meM 'maiM-tU' kA bheda utpanna huA, isalie karma bA~dhatA hai| koI jAnavara bolatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~?' use yaha jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM na? arthAt yaha Aropita bhAva hai, usase karma ba~dhate haiN| nir-ahaMkAra se nirAkulatA jahA~ ahaMkAra zUnyatA para hai vahA~ nirAkulatA prApta hotI hai| jaba taka ahaMkAra zUnyatA para nahIM A jAtA, taba taka nirAkulatA eka kSaNabhara ke lie bhI prApta nahIM hotii| caina prApta hotA hai| caina aura nirAkulatA meM bahuta pharka hai| praznakartA : vaha pharka smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra jAne ke bAda nirAkulatA utpanna hotI hai aura,

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AptavANI-5 koI bhI saMyoga nahIM ho taba caina milatA hai / loga caina DhUMr3hate haiM / nirAkulatA to siddha kA 1/8 guNa hai / praznakartA : mana-buddhi - citta aura ahaMkAra, unameM sabase adhika zakti to citta kI hai na? 129 dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, citta mizracetana hai aura bAkI saba to svabhAva se pudgala hai / citta, vaha jJAna - darzana hai / vaha zuddha ho jAe to zuddhAtmA ho jAegA, aura jaba taka isa saMsAra kI jise bAta pasaMda ho, saMsAra meM hI citta bhaTakatA rahatA ho, to vaha zuddhAtmA nahIM hai / isa 'jJAna' ke prabhAva se citta zuddha ho jAtA hai, isalie sTeDInesa (sthiratA) AtI hai| AdhAra-AdhArI saMbaMdha khuda kA banAyA huA mahala ho taba to girA deM, parantu yaha mahala to prakRti kA banAyA huA hai| isalie paddhatipUrvaka samajha - samajhakara karane jaisA hai| 'jJAnI puruSa' jAnate haiM ki yaha mahala kisa taraha se banAyA gayA thA aura isake kaMgUre kahA~ para rakhe hue haiM, kyA karane se pahalI maMjila TUTegI, phira dUsarI maMjila TUTegI, vaha sabakucha hI 'jJAnI' jAnate haiN| khuda AdhAra dete the, usase jagat khar3A huA thA / 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' taba taka AdhAra dete the Apa, aba 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', to AdhAra denA baMda ho gayA, isalie nirAdhAra ho gyaa| usase sArI vastue~ gira jAtI haiN| isa hAtha ke AdhAra para vastue~ haiN| hAtha haTAyA to vastu gira jaaegii| varnA chor3ane se chUTegA nahIM / praznakartA : AdhAra se lipaTI huI jo vRttiyA~ haiM, ve kisa taraha chUTeMgI? dAdAzrI : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha lakSya rahatA hai Apako? praznakartA : haaN|

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130 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : to phira AdhAra rahA hI nhiiN| vRtti rahegI hI nhiiN| vaha jo vRtti rahatI hai vaha nirAdhAra kI hai, AdhAra kI nahIM hai| jaba se AdhArI kA AdhArabhAva chUTa jAtA hai, phira jo nirAdhArI huA usakI hI ve vRttiyA~ haiN| hameM yaha lakSya meM rahanA cAhie ki ye vRttiyA~ hamArI nahIM haiN| hamameM vRtti nAma kA kucha hai hI nhiiN| hama logoM kI to nijavRtti nijabhAva meM hI rahA karatI hai, svAbhAvika hone ke bAda! akarttApada dvArA manomukti khuda zuddhAtmA ho gayA isalie akartA bnaa| phira mana kI gA~Tha kA chedana hotA rahatA hai, phira gA~Tha phUTe aura kartA bane to mana utpanna ho jAtA hai| Apa akarttApada meM hoMge, taba bhI mana kI gA~The to phUTatI hI rheNgii| mana uchalakUda kare, phira bhI nirjarA hotI rahegI, parantu usa samaya 'Apako' upayoga meM rahanA cAhie ki kyA ho rahA hai aura kyA nahIM? kharAba vicAra Ae~ to bhI harja nahIM aura acche vicAra Ae~ to bhI harja nhiiN| kyoMki jise dukAna khAlI karanI hai, use to phira, vaha mAla sar3A huA ho, to bhI nikAla denA hai aura acchA ho to bhI nikAla denA hai| 'karttApada che AgrahI, akarttApada che niraagrhii|' - nvniit| zubha yA azubha kA aba Agraha nahIM hai| dAna dene kA bhI Agraha nahIM hai| udaya meM AyA ho to dAna deMge, taba usakI nirjarA ho jaaegii| 'avicArapada vaha zAzvata jnyaan|' khada jaba taka vicAra meM tanmayAkAra hai, taba taka vicAra pada kahalAtA hai aura khuda vicAra se alaga huA to vaha avicArapada kahalAtA hai| aMtima darzana praznakartA : mahAvideha kSetra meM kisa taraha jAyA jA sakatA hai? puNya se? dAdAzrI : ye hamArI AjJA kA pAlana kare, usase isa janma meM puNya

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AptavANI-5 131 ba~dha hI rahA hai| vaha mahAvideha kSetra meM le jAtA hai| AjJA pAlane se dharmadhyAna hotA hai| vaha sabhI phala degaa| praznakartA : jo zubha dhyAna hotA hai, vaha bhI dharmadhyAna mAnA jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu zubha dhyAna yA azubha dhyAna, kartA baneM tabhI hotA hai| aura isa 'jJAna' ke bAda vicAra Ae ki kisIko dAna do to vaha sabhI nirjarA hai| praznakartA : yahA~ para satsaMga meM hama bhaktipada gAte haiM, usakA kyA? dAdAzrI : vaha saba hamArI AjJA meM A gyaa| jJAnI kI AjJArUpI dharmadhyAna kA phala sabase ucca manuSyagati milatI hai| usase agalA janma bahuta suMdara milegA, hameM tIrthaMkara mileMge, phira aura kyA cAhie? hama sabako AtmA to prApta ho cukA hai, sirpha tIrthaMkara ke aMtima darzana karane bAkI rahe haiM, vaha eka hI bAra hoM, to bahuta ho gyaa| kevaLajJAna rukA huA hai, vaha pUrA hogaa| 'jJAnI puruSa' to svayaM jahA~ taka pahu~ce hote haiM, vahA~ taka le jAte haiN| usase Age nahIM le jA skte| Age to, jo AgevAle jo hoM unake pAsa le jAte haiM, usameM kisIkA calegA hI nahIM na? esiDa kA barna yA mukti kA AsvAdana?!!! apane yahA~ ve eka bhAI Ate haiM na, unakA bhatIjA esiDa se jala gayA thaa| aMgAroM meM giranA acchA parantu esiDa bahuta bhayaMkara hai| sabhI DaoNkTara ghabarA gae ki yaha laDakA tIna ghaMToM se adhika nahIM jiiegaa| usa lar3ake ko hamane 'jJAna' diyA thaa| to DaoNkTaroM se ha~sate-ha~sate usane kyA kahA ki, 'Apako mujhe jahA~ se kATanA ho vahA~ se kaatto| maiM alaga aura rAjU alaga!' yaha sunakara saba DaoNkTara AvAk raha gae! vaha lar3akA baca gyaa| vaha mara hI jAtA, yadi yaha 'jJAna' nahIM milA hotA to| AdhA to sAikolojikala iphekTa se manuSya mara jAtA hai| mujhe kyA ho gayA? kisa taraha ho gayA? yaha to ThIka hI nahIM hogaa| jaba ki rAjU ne to kahA ki, 'maiM alaga aura

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132 AptavANI-5 rAjU alg|' maiM jaba aspatAla meM usase milane gayA taba vaha bahuta AnaMda meM thaa| aura kahane lagA, 'mere sAtha rAjU so gayA hai!' sabhI DaoNkTara Azcaryacakita ho gae! aisA kesa unhoMne kabhI dekhA hI nahIM thaa| yaha saba kyA hai? taba kaheM ki, 'dAdA haiM isake piiche|' 'isa jJAna' kA pratApa hai| vaha bhI phira kSatriyakula kA thaa| dAdA ne kahA ki, 'tU alaga hI hai, rAjU se|' isalie usane alaga hI mAnA aura Apa vaNika kulavAloM ko to chue bagaira rahegA kyA? praznakartA : chU jAtA hai daadaa| yaha jalanA kisa kAraNa kA pariNAma hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to hama kSatriyoM ke kAma hI aise hote haiN| azAtA vedanIya kisIko dI ho to utanI azAtA vedanIya hameM bhugatanI par3atI hai, phira koI bhI dehadhArI ho, manuSya ho yA jAnavara ho! yaha saba paise kamAne ke lie nahIM kiyaa| azAtA vedanIya kA yaha phala hai| kisIko thor3A bhI duHkha ho vaisA trAsa deM, taba aisA phala AtA hai| kSatriya loga azAtA denA bhI jAnate haiM aura bhoganA bhI jAnate haiN| jaba ki Apa to azAtA karate bhI nahIM aura bhogate bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : yaha pUrvajanma kA hogA na? dAdAzrI : yaha pUrvajanma ke 'kaoNz2ez2a' ke 'iphekTsa' haiN| mAtA ke peTa meM se baccA bAhara AtA hai, taba vaha to ulTe sira hotA hai| usase to ghUmA bhI nahIM jaataa| phira bhI vaha bAhara AtA hai taba mA~ dhakelatI hai yA DaoNkTara khIMcatA hai yA baccA AtA hai? kauna karatA hai yaha? ye saba iphekTsa haiM, pariNAma haiN| pUrva meM jo kaoNz2ez2a kie the, unake pariNAma svAbhAvika rUpa se Ate haiN| mitra zatru yA zatru mitra? 'nIpaje narathI to koI na rahe du:khI, zatru mArIne, sau mitra raakhe|'

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AptavANI-5 133 manuSya se yadi ho sakatA to ina sabhI zatruoM ko mArakara mitroM ko hI rkhtaa| phira bhI binA zatru kI bhUmi nahIM ho skegii| una mitroM meM se hI phira se zatru khar3e hoNge| isake badale to yadi una zatruoM ko rahane diyA hotA na to ve mitra zatru banate taba ve zatru mitra bana gae hote! taba ve kAma Ate! mArane jaisA yaha jagat nahIM hai| koI bhI vastu zAzvata nahIM hotii| Apa pakkA mata kara lenA ki yaha hamezA ke lie merA duzmana hai| praznakartA : 'namo arihaMtANaM' meM jo bolate haiM aura Apane jo zatru aura mitra kI bAta kI, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : arihaMtavAlI bAta to, AMtarazatruoM ke lie hai| AMtarazatru arthAt krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kA jinhoMne hanana kara diyA hai, vaise arihaMta bhagavAna ko maiM namaskAra karatA huuN| svAbhAvika hone meM naimittika kAraNa hote haiN| AMtarazatruoM ko pahacAno ki ye apane virodhI haiM, ye zatru haiN| mAranA kisIko bhI nahIM hai| zatru para dveSa nahIM rakhanA hai, to aba ina zatruoM ko maiMne bulAyA hai yA zatruoM ke bulAne se maiM AyA hU~, usakI jA~ca kro| phira zatru kisa taraha se jAe~, unase mukta kisa taraha se huA jAe, usakI jA~ca kro| sAdhanA, sAdhyabhAva se-sAdhanabhAva se praznakartA : zatruoM kA hanana karane ke lie jo sAdhanA karane kI Adata par3a cukI hai, usase unakA hanana ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, sAdhanA do prakAra kI hai : (1) sAdhanA, sAdhyabhAva ke lie hI karanI, vh| (2) sAdhanA, sAdhanA ke lie karanI, vh| sAdhyabhAva se sAdhanA, vaha aMtima sAdhanA kahalAtI hai aura vaha kucha hada taka manuSya apane Apa kara sakatA hai| ye behada ke sAdhana nahIM haiN|

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134 AptavANI-5 behada ke lie to 'jJAnI puruSa' ke nimitta kI j'ruurt| ve mila jAe~ taba unase hameM kahanA hai, 'Apane jisa pada ko prApta kiyA hai, vaha pada hameM bhI prApta ho aisI kRpA kiijie|' sirpha kRpA kI hI mA~ga karanI hai| aura usameM bhI 'jJAnI puruSa' kartA nahIM haiN| ve nimitta haiN| ve nimitta hoMge tabhI kArya hogA, nahIM to nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : sAdhanAmArga meM jo guru hote haiM, ve loga khuda ko nimittabhAva jaise nahIM mAnate haiN| dAdAzrI : saccI bAta hai| ve usameM khada apane Apa ko mAnate haiM ki mujhe itanA karanA hI cAhie, mere ziSyoM ko itanA karanA hI caahie| khuda ba~dhate haiM aura ziSya bhI ba~dhate haiM, parantu ba~dhate-ba~dhate Age bar3hate jAte haiM, pragati karate haiM aura, ye to 'jJAnI puruSa', ve khuda nahIM ba~dhate aura mukta karavAte haiN| karttAbhAva ba~dhavAtA hai aura nimittabhAva mukta karavAtA hai| pUraNa-galana aura paramAtmA praznakartA : zuddhAtmA jJAtA-dRSTA mAtra hai, to kRpA-akRpA vaha milAvaTa kauna karatA hai? kisake mAdhyama se karavAtA hai? dAdAzrI : koI milAvaTa nahIM karatA, yaha sabakucha pudgala hI hai| praznakartA : saba preraNA pudgala kI hI hai? dAdAzrI : sabakucha pudgala hai| pudgala meM ahaMkAra bhI A gyaa| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha sabhIkucha A gyaa| sArA pudgala pUraNa-galana hotA rahatA hai| ahaMkAra bhI pUraNa-galana hotA rahatA hai| vivAha samAroha meM jAo aura koI jaya-jaya kare to ahaMkAra kA pUraNa hotA hai, jaya-jaya nahIM kare to phira galana hotA hai ! krodha ekadama nikale taba 500 DigrI kA hotA hai, phira 400 hotA hai, 300 hotA hai, 200, 100, z2Iro ho jAtA hai|

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AptavANI-5 usI taraha lobha bhI pUraNa- galana hotA hai| sabakucha pUraNa- galana hotA rahatA hai| 135 praznakartA : AtmA aura pudgala meM pharka kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : AtmA eka hI vastu hai| eka hI vastu arthAt vaha bar3hatIghaTatI nahIM hai, eka hI svAbhAvika vastu hai / jaba ki pudgala svAbhAvika vastu nahIM hai| pudgala kise kahate haiM? usameM khAne kA DAle, vaha pUraNa kahalAtA hai aura saMDAsa jAe, vaha galana kahalAtA hai| zvAsa liyA vaha pUraNa aura ucchavAsa vaha galana hai / yaha pudgala pugala meM se banA hai| isa zarIra meM pudgala aura AtmA do hI vastue~ haiM / yadi pudgala aura AtmA ko alaga karanA A jAe to use AtmA mila jaaegaa| parantu aisI manuSya kI zakti nahIM hai, vaha manuSya kI mati se bAhara kI bAta hai / yaha bAta buddhi se pare hai ! 'jJAnI puruSa' meM bhagavAna svayaM baiThe hue haiM, to unakI kRpA se kyA nahIM ho sakatA? jJAnI kI kRpA praznakartA : yahA~ saba baiThe haiM to dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA hara eka para eka samAna utara rahI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, eka samAna nahIM / ApakA 'dAdA bhagavAna' para kaisA bhAva hai, usa para AdhArita hai| praznakartA : mAno ki merA bartana bar3A hai to vaha adhika pAnI legA aura kisIkA bartana loTe jitanA pAnI legaa| to yaha bartana para AdhArita hai yA bhAva para ? dAdAzrI : usameM bartana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / kisIko kucha nahIM AtA ho to bhI maiM kahU~ ki, 'kucha nahIM AtA hai to yahA~ para baiThe rahanA bhAI, jA ve jUte sApha karate rhnaa|'

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136 AptavANI-5 jJAnI ke kRpApAtra bananA hai, dUsarA kucha karanA nahIM hai| kRpA prApta karane meM kyA rukAvaTa DAlatA hai? hamArI aadd'aaiyaaN| praznakartA : ve Ar3AiyA~ nahIM nikAlanI cAhie? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve jaldI lAbha nahIM hone detiiN| hama Ar3AiyA~ dekheM vahA~ para karuNA rakhate haiN| isa prakAra karuNA rakhate-rakhate Ar3AiyA~ dhIredhIre nikleNgii| vahA~ adhika prayatna karanA par3atA hai| zAstroM kA paThana praznakartA : sadzAstroM ke paThana se pApoM kA kSaya nahIM ho sakatA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, usase puNya z2arUra ba~dhatA hai| pApoM kA kSaya nahIM hotaa| dUsarA nayA puNya ba~dhatA hai, vaha puNyAnubaMdhI puNya kahalAtA hai| sazAstra kA adhyayana kareM, usameM se svAdhyAya hotA hai| isase citta kI ekAgratA, mana kI ekAgratA bahuta suMdara ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : 'jJAnI puruSa' ke satsaMga ke sAtha sadzAstra kA paThana aura manana karanA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai, parantu yadi jJAnI ke satsaMga se phula mArksa A jAe~, phira paThana kI z2arUrata nahIM rahI na? phula mArksa A jAne ke bAda, ina sabakA paThana kareMge to 'bodarezana' bar3hegA blki| aba itanI suMdara jAgRti hone ke bAda TAima bekAra jaaegaa| praznakartA : nimitta kI taraha par3heM to? dAdAzrI : nimitta kI taraha ThIka hai, parantu vaha saMyogAdhIna hai| arthAt apane kAbU meM nahIM hai| __ praznakartA : saMyogoM para kAbU nahIM hai, aise kahanA, vaha apane mana kI kamaz2orI nahIM kahalAegI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, isa varlDa meM aisA koI manuSya nahIM hai ki jisakA

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AptavANI-5 137 saMyogoM para kAbU ho! dravya na palaTe, bhAva badale to... 'dravya na palaTe, bhAva phare to chUTI zake che bhavano phjeto|' - navanIta dravya arthAt karma phala dene ko taiyAra ho gayA ho, vh| dravya nahIM palaTatA usakA udAharaNa detA huuN| eka manuSya ko corI kI Adata par3I huI ho, vaha khuda kahatA hai ki mujhe chor3anA hai phira bhI nahIM chUTatI, aisA hotA hai yA nahIM? usakA kAla AegA tabhI vaha plttegaa| aba kavi kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki tU roz2a mana meM bhAva kara ki corI karane jaisI nahIM hai| to corI ke bIja eka dina khatama ho jAe~ge aura nahIM to vApisa corI karane kA bhAva karegA to phira se corI karane ke bIja pdd'eNge| yAnI corI meM se corI hI hogii| yaha vAkya bahuta gaharA gUDha arthavAlA hai| aba jisane svarUpa kA 'jJAna' liyA ho use kyA karanA cAhie? 'dekhate' hI rahanA hai| 'dekhate' rahe to nayA bIja nahIM ddltaa| phira kisIko duHkha ho jAe, vaisI corI kI ho to hama usase adhika kyA kahate haiM ki, 'caMdUbhAI, yaha atikramaNa kiyA, isalie pratikramaNa kara lo|' __pUrA jagat corI karatA hai, taba phira corI ke bIja Dalate haiN| rizvata letA hai aura mana meM khaTakatA rahatA hai ki yaha honA hI nahIM caahie| parantu yadi koI kahe ki, 'yaha rizvata kisalie lete ho?' taba vaha kahegA ki, 'tujhameM akkala nahIM hai| baiTha! ina do lar3akiyoM kI kisa taraha zAdI karU~gA?' yAnI khuda ne isa roMga (galata cIz2a) ko enkareja kiyaa| isalie agalA janma pakkA ho gyaa| arthAt isa saMsAra ke manuSya to yadi corI karate hoM, luccAI karate hoM, rizvata lete hoM, to unheM mana meM aise bhAva karane cAhie ki yaha kAma

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138 AptavANI-5 galata ho rahA hai| yaha karanA hI nahIM cAhie', aisA gAte rahanA caahie| dravya aba hAtha meM nahIM rhaa| pAnI kA barpha bana gyaa| aba kisa taraha usakI dhArA banegI? Dhera hI bnegaa| praznakartA : galata kara rahe hoM usa samaya bhAva to aisA honA cAhie na ki mujhase aisA nahIM honA cAhie yA phira jJAtA-dRSTA hI rahanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA rahane ko aura pratikramaNa karane ko kahA hai na? praznakartA : parantu bhAva to nahIM hI honA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : bhAva to hogA parantu 'Apako' to caMdUbhAI ko jAgRti denI hai ki pratikramaNa kro| atikramaNa kisalie kiyA? pUrA dina kramaNa hotA hai| atikramaNa nahIM hotA hai pUre din| ghaMTe meM ekAdha-do bAra hotA hai, usakA Apako pratikramaNa karanA pdd'egaa| Apako apanI sabhI kamajoriyoM ko jAnanA caahie| aba Apa khuda kamaz2ora nahIM ho| Apa to AtmA ho gae, parantu ajJAnadazA meM isake mUla utpAdaka to Apa hI the na? isalie Apako par3osI kI taraha kahanA cAhie ki, 'caMdUbhAI, pratikramaNa kara lo|' _pratikramaNa to Apa bahuta hI krnaa| jitane Apake sarkala meM yadi pacAsa-sau vyakti hoM, jina-jina ko Apane parezAna kiyA ho, to jaba khAlI samaya ho taba baiThakara una sabake eka-eka ghaMTA, eka-eka ko DhUMDhaDhUMDhakara, pratikramaNa krnaa| jitanoM ko parezAna kiyA hai, vaha phira dhonA to par3egA na! phira jJAna prakaTa hogaa| praznakartA : parantu dAdA, jinhoMne mujhe parezAna kiyA hai, unheM hI maiMne parezAna kiyA hai| dAdAzrI : Apako jisane parezAna kiyA hogA, usakA to ve bhoga leNge| usakI jimmedArI ApakI nahIM hai| jo parezAna karate haiM unheM jimmedArI kA bhAna nahIM hai| ve isa janma meM roTI khA rahe haiM to agale janma meM cArA khAne meM harja nahIM hai na unheM!

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AptavANI-5 139 ahaMkAra kA lAbha ! ahaMkAra gayA ki hala A gayA / ahaMkAra hai taba taka saMsAra khar3A rhegaa| yA to AtmA hotA hai, yA phira ahaMkAra hotA hai / ahaMkAra ho to AtmA kA lAbha nahIM miltaa| aura AtmA hai to phira ahaMkAra kA lAbha nahIM milatA / praznakartA : ahaMkAra meM bhI lAbha ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : isa ahaMkAra ke lAbha meM to ye saba beTiyoM kI zAdI karavAte haiM, beToM kI zAdI karavAte haiN| beTe ke bApa banakara ghUmate haiN| patnI ke pati banakara ghUmate haiM / use ahaMkAra kA lAbha milA nahIM kahA jAegA? pUrA jagat ahaMkAra kA hI lAbha bhoga rahA hai| hama svarUpadhArI AtmA kA lAbha bhoga rahe haiN| yaha svaupArjita hai aura vaha ahaMkAra upArjita hai / praznakartA : bhrAMti jAe to mukta huA jAegA na ? dAdAzrI : hA~, bhrAMti gaI arthAt 'jaisA hai vaisA' jAna liyaa| bhrAMti gaI yAnI ajJAna gayA, ajJAna gayA yAnI mAyA gaI / bhagavAna kI mAyA gaI yAnI ahaMkAra gayA, ahaMkArazUnya ho gayA yAnI hala A gayA ! 'igolesa' karane kI z2arUrata nahIM... jise kisI bhI prakAra kA kAma nahIM hotA, vaha AtmA ! praznakartA : ye prayatna kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra karatA hai| praznakartA : uchalatA hai kauna? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra kA bAharI bhAga uchalatA hai, vaha DiscArja hotI huI vastu hai, aura 'igoiz2ama' cArja karatA hai| praznakartA : saMpUrNa nirahaMkAra kaba utpanna hotA hai ?

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140 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : Apako use utpanna karake kyA karanA hai? praznakartA : 'igo' se phAyadA nahIM hai, vaha to patA calA hai I dAdAzrI : arthAt yaha 'igolesa' ho jAe to kucha uttama phala milegA? hogA / praznakartA : khuda ke aMdara kA AnaMda, paramAnaMda usake bAda prakaTa dAdAzrI : aisA hai ki 'igolesa' karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| 'hama khuda kauna haiM' vahI jAnane kI z2arUrata hai| apanA jo svarUpa hai usameM igoiz2ama karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| 'Apa' caMdUbhAI nahIM ho, phira bhI 'caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA mAnate ho, vahI 'igoiz2ama' hai| ajJAna kA AdhAra aMdara cir3ha hotI hai use khuda mor3ane kA prayatna karatA hai, parantu cir3ha iphekTa hai aura mor3ane kA prayatna karatA hai, ve kaoNz2ez2a haiN| kitane hI loga cir3hate haiM, parantu usakA pachatAvA karate nahIM aura Upara se kahate haiM ki 'gussA hI karane jaisA thaa|' ve bhI kaoNz2ez2a haiN| samajha meM AyA Apako? praznakartA : cir3hane kA kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : ajnyaantaa| ajJAnatA ke kAraNa rAga-dveSa karatA rahatA hai| yaha acchA, yaha burA aise karatA rahatA hai / vAstava meM to yaha iphekTa isakA hai| use 'hama' svIkAra lete haiM, use AdhAra dete haiM / 'mujhe ThaMDa lagI, mujhe huA, mujhe bhAtA nahIM hai|' ise AdhAra diyA jAtA kahA jAtA hai / aba kar3hI khArI lagI, vaha bAta jIbha kI hada kI hai| use hameM kahane kI z2arUrata hai? isa taraha AdhAra dete haiM aura kaoNz2ez2a karate haiN| pUrI z2indagI rAga-dveSa karate rahate haiN| pasaMda kI vastuoM para rAga aura nApasaMda vastuoM para dveSa karate haiN| praznakartA : yaha rAga-dveSa karanevAlA kauna hai ? ajJAnatA ?

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AptavANI-5 141 dAdAzrI : 'igoiz2ama' / ajJAnatA ke AdhAra para 'igoiz2ama' khar3A hai aura 'igoiz2ama' yaha saba karatA rahatA hai / yadi ajJAna kA AdhAra TUTa jAe to 'igoiz2ama' gira par3egA / saMsAra kA 'rUTa kaoNz2a' yaha qaoNz2ez2a kA Apako samajha meM AyA yA nahIM samajha meM AyA? koI ApakA cahetA dosta AyA to Apa khuza-khuza ho jAte ho vaha rAga hai aura anacAhA vyakti Ae taba ? praznakartA : ekadama use nikAla to nahIM sakate, parantu mana mArakara baiThe rahate haiN| I dAdAzrI : vaha dveSa kahalAtA hai| aise rAga- -dveSa karate rahate ho / vedAnta kyA kahatA hai ki ye manuSya paramAtmA kyoM nahIM bana sakate? kyoMki mala, vikSepa aura ajJAna haiM isalie | jainoM kI thiarI aisA kahatI hai ki rAgadveSa aura ajJAna haiM, isalie / donoM ke mUla meM ajJAnatA hai hii| arthAt ajJAnatA jAe taba AdhAra TUTa jAegA / iphekTa to apane Apa hotA hI rahatA hai| parantu khuda aMdara kaoNz2ez2a karatA hai, AdhAra detA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA, maiM bolA ' / vAstava meM iphekTa meM kisIko karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai / iphekTa apane Apa sahaja bhAva se hotA hI rahatA hai, parantu hama use sahArA dete haiM ki 'maiM karatA hU~' / vaha bhrAMti hai aura vahI kaoNz2ez2a haiN| praznakartA : usa kaoNz2a kA kaoNz2a kyA hai? dAdAzrI : ajnyaantaa| rUTa kaoNz2a ajJAnatA hai / 'jJAnI puruSa' ajJAnatA dUra karate haiN| lakSmI kI liMka paisevAlA kauna hai? mana se jo rAjA hai, vaha / ho to kharca karatA hai aura nahIM ho taba bhI kharca karatA hai /

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142 AptavANI-5 yaha anAja hai, vaha tIna se pA~ca varSoM meM nirjIva ho jAtA hai, phira ugatA nahIM hai| hara gyArahaveM varSa meM paisA badalatA hai| paccIsa karor3a kA AsAmI ho, parantu gyAraha varSa taka usake pAsa yadi eka AnA bhI nahIM AyA ho to vaha khatama ho jaaegaa| jaise ina davAIyoM kI eksapAyarI DeTa likhate ho vaise hI isa lakSmI kI gyAraha varSa kI eksapAyarI DeTa hotI hai| praznakartA : pUrI z2indagI logoM ke pAsa lakSmI rahatI hai na? dAdAzrI : Aja 1977 kA varSa huA, to Aja Apake pAsa 1966 kI lakSmI nahIM hogii| praznakartA : gyAraha varSa kA yaha niyama kahA~ se AyA? dAdAzrI : jaise ina davAIyoM meM do varSa kI eksapAyarI DeTa hotI hai, chaha mahIne kI hotI hai, anAja kI tIna varSoM kI hotI hai vaise hI lakSmIjI kI gyAraha varSa kI hotI hai| lakSmIjI jaMgama (caMcala) kahI jAtI haiN| 200 varSa pahale ke baniye the, unake pAsa lAkha rupaye hote to paccIsa haz2Ara kI jAyadAda le lete the, paccIsa haz2Ara kA sonA aura jevara le lete the, paccIsa haz2Ara kisI jagaha para sarrApha ke vahA~ byAja meM rakhate the aura paccIsa haz2Ara vyApAra meM DAla dete the| vyApAra meM z2arUrata par3e to pA~ca haz2Ara byAja para le Ate the| yaha unakA sisTama thaa| taba ve kisa taraha jaldI divAliyA ho jAte? cAroM tarapha cAra kIleM gAr3a dIM! Aja ke baniye ko to aisA kucha AtA hI nahIM! koI bAhara kA vyakti mere pAsa vyAvahArika salAha lene Ae ki, 'maiM cAhe jitanA uThApaTaka karU~ phira bhI kucha hotA nahIM hai|' taba maiM kahU~gA, 'abhI terA udaya pApa kA hai| tU kisIke yahA~ se udhAra ke rupaye lAegA to rAste meM terI jeba kaTa jAegI! isalie abhI tU ghara baiThakara caina se jo zAstra par3hatA ho, vaha par3ha aura bhagavAna kA nAma letA rh|' praznakartA : puNya-pApa ke hI adhIna hotA hai, to phira 'TenDara' bharane

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AptavANI-5 143 kA kahA~ rahA? dAdAzrI : ve TenDara jo bhare jAte haiM, ve pApa-puNya ke udaya ke anusAra hI bhare jAte haiN| isalie maiM kahatA z2arUra hU~ ki TenDara bharo, parantu maiM jAnatA hU~ ki kisa AdhAra para TenDara bharA jAtA hai| ina do niyamoM se bAhara jAyA jA sake aisA nahIM hai| ____ maiM bahuta logoM ko mere pAsa 'TenDara' bharakara lAne ko kahatA huuN| para koI bharakara nahIM lAyA hai| kisa taraha bhareM? vaha pApa-puNya ke adhIna hai| isalie pApa kA udaya ho taba bahuta bhAga-daur3a karegA to, balki jo hai vaha bhI calA jaaegaa| isalie ghara jAkara so jA aura thor3A-thor3A sAdhAraNa kAma kara, aura puNya kA udaya ho to bhaTakane kI z2arUrata hI kyA hai? ghara baiThe Amane-sAmane thor3A-sA kAma karane se saba A milatA hai, isalie donoM hI sthitiyoM meM bhAga-daur3a karane ko manA karate haiN| bAta ko sirpha samajhane kI hI z2arUrata hai| ___hama 1968 meM jayagar3ha kI jeTI banA rahe the| vahA~ eka kAnTrekTara mere pAsa aayaa| vaha mujhase pUchane lagA, 'maiM apane guru mahArAja ke pAsa jAtA huuN| hara sAla mere paise bar3hate hI rahate haiN| merI icchA nahIM, phira bhI bar3hate jAte haiM, to kyA vaha guru kI kRpA hai?' maiMne use kahA, 'vaha guru kI kRpA hai, vaisA mata maannaa| yadi paise cale jAe~ge to tujhe aisA lagegA ki lAo, guru ko patthara mArU~!' isameM guru to nimitta haiM, unake AzISa nimitta haiN| guru ko hI jaba cAhie, taba cAra Ane bhI nahIM mileM na! isalie phira usane mujhase pUchA ki, 'mujhe kyA karanA cAhie?' maiMne kahA, 'dAdA kA nAma lenaa|' abhI taka terI puNya kI linka AI thii| linka matalaba aMdhere meM pattA uThAe to cokkA Ae, phira paMjA Ae, phira vApisa uThAe to chakkA aae| to loga kaheMge ki, 'vAha seTha, vAha seTha, kahanA pdd'egaa|' vaisA tujhe 107 bAra saccA par3A hai| para aba bdlegaa| isIlie sAvadhAna rhnaa| aba tU nikAlegA to sattAvana ke bAda tIna AegA aura tIna ke bAda 111 AegA! taba loga

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144 AptavANI-5 tumheM buddhU kheNge| isalie ina dAdA kA nAma chor3anA mata, nahIM to mArA jaaegaa| phira hama muMbaI A ge| vaha AdamI do-cAra dina bAda yaha bAta bhUla gyaa| use phira bahuta bhArI nukasAna huaa| isalie una pati-patnI donoM ne khaTamala mArane kI davAI pI lI! vaha dAdA kA nAma lenA hI bhUla gayA thaa| para puNyazAlI itanA ki usakA bhAI hI DaoNkTara thaa| vaha AyA aura baca gayA! phira vaha moTara lekara daur3atA huA mere pAsa aayaa| maiMne use kahA, 'ina dAdA kA nAma lete rahanA aura phira aisA kabhI bhI mata krnaa|' taba phira vaha nAma letA rhaa| usake pApa saba dhula gae aura saba ThIka ho gyaa| jaba 'dAdA' boleM, usa ghar3I pApa pAsa meM Ate hI nhiiN| cAroM tarapha maMDarAte rahate haiM, parantu chUte nahIM aapko| Apa jhoMkA khAte ho, taba usa ghar3I chU jAte haiN| rAta ko nIMda meM nahIM chuute| yadi jaba taka jaga rahe haiM taba taka bolate raheM aura subaha meM uThate hI bole hoM, to bIca kA samaya usa svarUpa kahalAtA hai| mikenikala cetana jagat ke loga jAnate hI nahIM ki isameM cetana kise kahate haiM? ve to boDI (zarIra) ko cetana kahate haiN| sabhI kArya karatA hai, vaha cetana karatA hai, aisA kahate haiN| parantu cetana kucha bhI nahIM krtaa| sirpha 'jAnane' kI aura 'dekhane' kI, do hI kriyAe~ usakI hai| dUsarA saba anAtma vibhAga kA hai| yaha bolatA kauna hai? vaha nizcetana cetana hai, mikenikala cetana hai| vaha daraasala cetana nahIM hai| kucha loga ise sthira karate haiN| are, kisalie sthira karatA hai? tU mUla svarUpa ko DhUMDha nikAla na! mUla svarUpa sthira hI hai| yaha vApisa use sthira karane kI Adata kisalie DAla rahA hai? yaha nizcetana cetana to mUlataH caMcala svabhAva kA hI hai| mikenikala kA artha hI caMcala hotA hai| isa caMcala ko sthira karane phirate haiM, to vaha kitanA

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AptavANI-5 145 ulTA rAstA logoM ne pakar3A hai? isalie to anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahe isa jagat meM do vastue~ haiM : eka sacara hai aura eka acara hai| yaha zarIra sacarAcara hai aura jagat bhI pUrA sacarAcara hai| sacara mikenikala bhAga hai, anAtma vibhAga hai aura acara AtmavibhAga hai| arthAt bAta ko samajha leM to hala AegA, nahIM to karor3oM janmoM taka bhI ThikAnA nahIM pdd'egaa| varnA karor3oM janmoM taka tyAga kare, tapa kare phira bhI kucha hogA nhiiN| AtmA tyAgasvarUpa hI hai| sarvasaMga parityAga svarUpa hai| aba AtmA ke lie tyAga karane jAe~, to vaha saba Udhama hai| 'tyAge use aage|' Apako yadi bhaviSya meM cAhie to tyAga kro| citta aura aMtarAtmA praznakartA : citta aura aMtarAtmA ke bIca kA bheda smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : citta zuddha huA, vahI aMtarAtmA hai| vaha aMtarAtmA kisalie kahalAtA hai ki khuda ke paramAtmA ko yAnI ki zuddhAtmA ko bhajanA hai, usa rUpa arthAt ki zuddhAtmarUpa honA hai| pahale, zuddhAtmA pratIti meM AtA hai, lakSya meM AtA hai| usake bAda anubhava pada meM rahane ke lie, zuddhAtmA ke sAtha eka lakSya, eka tAra karanA hai! parantu jaba taka bAhara phAileM hoMgI, taba taka vaisA pUre dina nahIM ho paaegaa| isalie aMtarAtmA kahA hai| aMtarAtma dazA yAnI inTrima gavarmenTa aura ye phAileM pUrI ho gaIM to phula gavarmenTa, paramAtmA bnegaa| yahA~ para A jAoge to usakA niber3A AegA aura lambA ghUmane jAoge to sirpha pustakeM aura pustakeM bhreNgii| usakA aMta hI nahIM aaegaa| paramAtmA paramAnenTa hai| mUr3hAtmA-bahirmukhI AtmA, vaha paramAnenTa nahIM hai aura aMtarAtmA parabhava meM bhI sAtha meM jaaegaa| yahI kI yahI mUr3hAtma dazA parabhava meM sAtha meM nahIM hogI, vahA~ dUsarI mUr3hAtma dazA aaegii|

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146 AptavANI-5 vRtti bahe nija bhAva meM praznakartA : citta zuddha hone ke bAda aMtarAtmA kA jJAna jo prakaTa karatA hai, usameM bAhya AvaraNoM ko mukta rakhatA hai / isalie mana ekadama bAhya vicAroM kI tarapha nahIM jhukatA hai, parantu AMtarika vicAroM kI tarapha adhika jhukatA hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki jo vRttiyA~ pahale bAhara bhaTakane jAtI thIM, ve aba vApisa aMdara AtI haiM, khuda ke ghara AtI haiN| praznakartA : usameM mana kI lAgaNIo ( bhAvukatAvAlA prema, lagAva) meM kucha badalAva AtA hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI badalAva ho sake aisA nahIM hai| mana jar3a hai| jo bAhara jAtA hai, vaha paramAnenTa vastu nahIM hai / pratikSaNa vaha badalatA rahatA hai / isameM paramAnenTa hama 'svayaM' haiN| bAkI yaha saba to badalatA hI rhegaa| Apako sirpha bhAsita hotA hai ki yaha barasAta hogI aura vaha khatma ho jAegA ! vaha sirpha bhAsyamAna pariNAma hai / usakA koI lambA artha nahIM hai / yAnI hameM kyA bhAsita hotA hai? kise yaha bhAsita hotA hai? usakA patA lagAnA pdd'egaa| citta 'dAdA bhagavAna' ko yAda kare, hara kisImeM 'dAdA' dikheM, vaha citta bahuta acchA kahalAtA hai / aisA bahutoM ko rahatA hai| adhika yA kama mAtrA meM hotA hai| 'dAdA bhagavAna' vahI khuda ke 'zuddhAtmA' haiM yAnI citta zuddhAtmA meM rakho yA 'dAdA bhagavAna' meM rakho, vaha samAna hI hai| donoM citta ko zuddha hI rakhate haiN| saMsArI citta, vaha azuddha citta kahalAtA hai / azuddha citta mizracetana hai| vaha citta zuddha ho jAtA hai, taba zuddha cetana ho jAtA hai| zuddha citta arthAt zuddha cetn| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha lakSya baiTha gayA, vahI hamArA svarUpa hai| use aMtarAtmadazA kahate haiM I citta aura prajJA praznakartA : prajJAzakti bAhara jAtI hai? citta kI taraha ?

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AptavANI-5 147 dAdAzrI : sirpha citta hI bhaTakatA hai| phira zuddha ho jAe taba nahIM bhttktaa| azuddha citta bhaTakatA rahatA hai| are! mehaphila meM bhI jA AtA hai ki jahA~ para brAMDI kI botaleM ur3atI hoM! citta kI zaktiyA~ bahuta z2abaradasta hai| isalie hI loga Uba jAte haiM na! yaha mana logoM ko itanA adhika parezAna nahIM karatA, parantu citta bahuta parezAna karatA hai| mana to do kAma karatA hai, eka to acche vicAra phUTate haiM aura eka kharAba vicAra phUTate haiM ! paTAkhoM aura anAra meM se phUTate haiM, vaise| vicAra vaha jJeya vastu hai aura 'hama' 'jJAtA' haiN| yaha to bhrAMti ke kAraNa aisA lagatA hai ki mujhe vicAra aae| dAdAzrI - kalI ko khilAte haiM dAdAzrI : ye ulTe-sIdhe dhaMdhe aba karegA? jAnavara bananA hai tujhe? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : ina do pairoM se gira jAte haiM, to usake badale cAra paira hoM to acchA, gira to nahIM jAe~ge! aura Upara se pU~cha inAma meM milegI to kUdate-kUdate to jA pAegA!!! aba tujhe aisA kucha bananA hai yA manuSya hI bananA hai? praznakartA : manuSya bananA hai| dAdAzrI : to phira manuSya ke guNoM kI z2arUrata pdd'egii| jaisA tujhe pasaMda hai, vaisA hI sAmanevAle ko degA to manuSyatva aaegaa| koI tujhe nAlAyaka kahe, to tujhe pasaMda AegA? praznakartA : nahIM aaegaa| dAdAzrI : isalie hameM samajha jAnA hai ki hama kisIko nAlAyaka kaheM to use kaise pasaMda AegA? arthAt hameM aisA kahanA hai ki Ao bhAI, Apa bahuta acche vyakti ho, taba use AnaMda hogaa| koI hamAre pAsa jhUTha bole to hameM duHkha ho jAtA hai, usI prakAra

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148 AptavANI-5 hama kisIse jhUTha boleM to use kitanA du:kha hogA? aNahakka kA nahIM bhogte| aNahakka kA bhogate haiM kyA loga? praznakartA : bahuta loga bhogate haiN| dAdAzrI : are, patnI bhI uThAkara le jAte haiM na logoM kI! khuda ke haqa kI patnI rakhanI caahie| yaha to patnI dUsare kI DhUMr3ha lAte haiM! haqa kI, khuda kI strI ho to koI bAteM nahIM karegA, ghara ke loga bhI nahIM ddaaNtteNge| yAnI kauna-se gaDDhe meM giranA acchA? praznakartA : haqa ke| dAdAzrI : aNahakka kA gaDDhA to bahuta gaharA hai! vApisa Upara AyA hI nahIM jaaegaa| isalie sAvadhAnI se calanA acchA hai| yAnI tU sAvadhAna ho jaanaa| yaha javAnI hai isalie yaha bhaya signala tujhe batA rahe haiM, jise bur3hApA AnevAlA ho use hama aisA nahIM khte| praznakartA : hA~, hA~, nahIM le jAU~gA, dUsare kI patnI nahIM le jaauuNgaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai| le jAne kA vicAra bhI mata krnaa| kisI strI ke prati AkarSaNa ho taba, 'he dAdA bhagavAna! mujhe mApha kara dIjie', khnaa| aNahakka kA paisA nahIM chInate, isa muMbaI zahara meM loga milAvaTa nahIM karate haiM na? praznakartA : vyApArI karate to haiN| dAdAzrI : to koI jAna-pahacAnavAlA ho use sAvadhAna karanA ki, 'cAra pairavAlA bananA ho to milAvaTa kro|' varnA phira bhI Apa bhUkhe nahIM maroge, usakI hama gAranTI dete haiN| kucha samajhanA to cAhie na? hama kaunase deza ke haiM? praznakartA : bhArata deza ke haiN| dAdAzrI : bhArata deza ke haiM hama! to hamArI kvaoNliTI kauna-sI hai?

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AptavANI-5 Arya prajA ! aura bAhara kI kauna - sI kahalAtI hai? praznakartA : anArya / dAdAzrI : hamAre yahA~ para koI-koI vyakti aise bana jAte haiM, to unheM kyA kahate haiM? anaadd'ii| AryaprajA arthAt Arya AcAra, Arya vicAra aura Arya uccaar| huuN| 149 tujhe merI bAta pasaMda hai? Uba jAtA hai? praznakartA : pasaMda hai isalie baiThA hU~ / dAdAzrI : tU kabhI jhUTha bolatA hai kyA? praznakartA : bolatA huuN| dAdAzrI : jhUTha bolane se kyA nukasAna hotA hogA ? praznakartA : nukasAna hotA hai| dAdAzrI : apane para se vizvAsa hI uTha jAtA hai| praznakartA : sAmanevAle ko patA nahIM calatA, aisA samajhakara bolatA dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu vizvAsa uTha jAe to manuSya kI qImata khatama ! tUne kabhI corI kI hai kyA? praznakartA : nahIM, nahIM kI / dAdAzrI : nahIM kI? tujhe corI karanA pasaMda nahIM hai? praznakartA : pasaMda to hai, lekina Dara lagatA hai na! bhUkha lagI? bujhAo ! dAdAzrI : tU peTa meM bhojana DAlatA hai, vaha kisalie DAlatA hai?

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150 AptavANI-5 praznakartA : bhUkha ko saMtuSTa karane ke lie| dAdAzrI : tujhe bhUkha lagatI hai, usa ghar3I aMdara peTa meM lagatI hai yA bujhatI hai? praznakartA : bhUkha to lagatI hI hai na? dAdAzrI : bujhatI nahIM hai? praznakartA : nahIM, khAne ke bAda bujha jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, isalie bhUkha, vaha agni hI kahalAtI hai na? peTa meM agni lagatI hai taba kyA khAtA hai? isa gAr3I kI khurAka to peTrola hai aura hamArA IMdhana ghI aura tela kA hai| tujhe sirpha bhUkha hI lagatI hai yA pyAsa bhI lagatI hai? praznakartA : pyAsa bhI lagatI hai na! dAdAzrI : arthAt pyAsa bhI aMdara jalatI hai aisA na? tU usameM pAnI DAle taba vaha bujhatI hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : tujhe thakAna bhI hotI hai kyA? praznakartA : hA~, thakAna hotI hai| dAdAzrI : thakAna hotI hai, taba ghaMTAbhara ArAma karatA hai| nIMda laga jAtI hai kyA? praznakartA : hA~, laga jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : arthAt yaha saba lagatA hai| bhagavAna ne kyA kahA thA ki yaha manuSya kA avatAra jalate hue ko bujhAne ke lie hai| taba hama kahate haiM, 'sAhaba jalatA huA bujhA diyaa| aba aura mujhe kyA karanA hai?' taba bhagavAna kahate haiM ki, 'Apa to merA nAma

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AptavANI-5 151 lete raho aura chUTane kI taiyAriyA~ kro|' hindustAna meM AryaprajA ke rUpa meM janma huA, isalie chUTane ke lAyaka huA / eka vyakti se maiMne pUchA ki terA muhallA to bahuta sAhUkAroM kA hai, to coriyA~ nahIM hotI hoMgI ! taba usane kahA ki dekho, yaha sAmanevAlI pulisacaukI haTAkara dekho| phira hamAre ar3osI - par3osI, zaucAlaya meM loTA hai, vaha bhI nahIM rahane deMge! yAnI ki tUne kahA usake jaisA hai, Dara ke mAre ! koI Dara nahIM ho to harja nahIM na? praznakartA : to harja nahIM hogA / dAdAzrI : tU curAkara lAegA, tujhe pasaMda hoM ve cIz2eM? praznakartA : pasaMda kI cIz2eM to le aauuN| dAdAzrI : sone kI sillI par3I ho to lAegA kyA? praznakartA : vaisA kucha ho to sabhI kA mana lalacA jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : ina logoM ke mana aise sthira nahIM haiN| ye to bhaya ke mAre sIdhe raheM, aise haiM / ina kavirAja ne eka dina mujhase kyA kahA ki ina nAlAyakoM ke lie sarakAra ko senA aura pulisavAle rakhane par3ate haiM aura usake lie Taiksa, ve lAyakoM ke pAsa se lete haiM! aise bahuta se loga hote hoMge ki jinake lie pulisavAloM kI z2arUrata nahIM hotI hai| TakarAva se aTakaNa majisTreTa sAhaba ghara para patnI ke sAtha do-do mahInoM se nahIM bolate aura vahA~ korTa meM sAta varSa kI sajA Thoka dete haiM ! are, ghara meM mu~ha car3hAkara kyoM phirate hoM? nikAla kara do na / mujhe kisIke sAtha thor3A-sA bhI matabheda nahIM huA hai / kisalie aisA hogA? praznakartA : matabheda ho vaisA boleM- cAleM aura barateM nahIM, to matabheda nahIM pdd'eNge|

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152 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : matabheda arthAt kyA? ttkraav| aise sIdhe-sIdhe jA rahe hoM aura bIca meM ilekTrika kA khaMbhA AtA ho to Apako samajhanA caahie| Apa use kaho ki tU kauna bIca meM rokanevAlA? sAmane bhaiMsa kA putra - bhaiMsA A rahA ho to kyA hameM use aisA kahanA cAhie ki haTa jA, haTa jA! praznakartA : vaha nahIM clegaa| dAdAzrI : vahA~ hameM haTa jAnA caahie| sA~pa A rahA ho to? praznakartA : yaha to jAnavaroM kI duniyA huii| dAdAzrI : yaha jo jAnavaroM ke bAre meM kaha rahA hU~, manuSya bhI vaise hI haiN| praznakartA : unheM parakheM kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : samajha meM A jAtA hai apane ko, usake sIMga U~ce kare to hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki yaha bhaiMsA hai? taba hameM khisaka jAnA caahie| mujhe to unake Ane se pahale hI patA cala jAtA hai| sugaMdha para se hI pahacAna letA huuN| kucha patthara jaise hote haiM, khaMbhe jaise bhI hote haiN| praznakartA : bahutoM ke mu~ha para se patA cala jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, saca hai| parantu jinheM cehare para se patA cala jAe, unakA khuda kA tharmAmITara kitanA 'karekTa' rakhanA par3egA? praznakartA : pUrvagraha rahita rakhanA pdd'egaa| dAdAzrI : yadi manuSya pUrvagraha rahita ho jAe to kalyANa hI ho jaaegaa| kala Apa mere sAtha jhagar3A karake gae hoM na, to Apa dUsare dina Ao to maiMne kala kI bAta eka ora rakha dI hotI hai| pUrvagraha rakhU to vaha merI bhUla hai| phira bhale hI Apa dUsare dina vaise nikalo, usameM harja nahIM hai| isa pUrvagraha ke kAraNa to pUrI duniyA mAra khAtI hai aura isIlie usake kAraNa doSa lagate haiN| Apa ho, aisA nahIM mAnate ho aura nahIM ho

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AptavANI-5 153 vaisA mAnate ho! Apa sAmanevAle ko gadhA kaho usake sAtha hI bhagavAna ko bhI gadhA kaha dete ho| isalie sAmanevAle ko gadhA kahane se pahale socnaa| TakarAva honA hI nahIM caahie| usakA hala lAnA caahie| hala lAe bagaira baiThe rahanA 'vesTa oNpha TAima enDa enarjI' hai| sthitaprajJa kaba kahalAte haiM? eka paMDita ne mujhase pachA, 'sthitaprajJa arthAta kyA?' aba maiM koI paMDita nahIM huuN| maiM jJAnI huuN| usa paMDita ko binA pAre ke garmI car3hI huI thii| maiMne unheM samajhAyA ki Apa jaba binA pAre ke ho jAoge, taba sthitaprajJa dazA ho jAegI! isalie yaha pArA utaaro| paMDita, vaha to vizeSaNa hai| kaI logoM kA hotA hai| paMDita to bahuta hote haiM, eka dina bagaira vizeSaNa ke ho jaao| maiM bagaira vizeSaNa kA ho gayA hU~, isalie loga mujhe jJAnI kahate haiM, varnA maiM to jJAnI bhI nahIM huuN| maiM to binA vizeSaNa kA 'nirvizeSa puruSa' huuN| vicAroM dvArA karma kaTa sakate haiM? praznakartA : kahA jAtA hai ki pUrA mohanIya karma vicAroM dvArA ur3AyA jA sakatA hai! dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu ve vicAra 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa se lie hue hone cAhie, khuda ke vicAroM se nhiiN| vicAra do prakAra ke : eka svacchaMdI vicAra aura dUsare 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa se lie hue vicaar| 'jJAnI puruSa' ko hara bAra batAnA ki aise vicAra Ate haiM, taba ve kaheMge ki yaha karekTa hai, to Age calane denA, varnA svacchaMdI vicAra hoM, to jAne kahA~ pahu~ca jaaegaa| vicAra se sabakucha khatma ho sakatA hai| merA sabakucha vicAroM dvArA hI khatma ho gayA hai, isa jagat meM koI aisI vastu nahIM, koI aisA paramANu nahIM ki jisa para maiMne vicAra nahIM kiyA hogA! karmoM kI nirjarA-jJAniyoM kA tarIkA! praznakartA : jo jJAnI haiM, ve mohanIya karma ke jJAtA-dRSTA raheM to vaha

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154 AptavANI-5 karma ur3a jAegA na? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA raheM, taba sAre hI karma ur3a jaaeNge| sArA cAritramoha ur3a jaaegaa| sirpha zuddha upayoga hI rhegaa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' usakA upayoga rahanA caahie| yaha bhI zuddhAtmA hai, vaha bhI zuddhAtmA hai gadhe, kutte, billI, sabhI zuddhAtmA haiM / jeba kATanevAlA bhI zuddhAtmA hai| I isa duSamakAla ke jIvoM kI samajha meM moha aura mUrchA bhare hue haiM, isalie kRpAludeva ne isa kAla ke jIvoM ko hatpuNyazAlI kahA hai! ye loga pUre dina krodha-mAna- mAyA-lobha, rAga- - dveSa karate rahate haiM ! bApa-dAdA karate the, vaha rUr3hI calI A rahI hai, usa anusAra dharma karate haiM / parantu vaha samajhadArIpUrvaka nahIM hotaa| hara eka ko apane-apane dharma ke pudgala kA AvaraNa hotA hai| jaina ko jaina pudgala aura vaiSNava ko vaiSNava pudgala mokSa meM nahIM jAne detaa| usa pudgala kI nirjarA hogI, taba kalyANa hogaa| mokSa meM jaina pudgala bhI kAma meM nahIM AegA aura dUsare pudgala bhI kAma meM nahIM aaeNge| pratyeka pudgala kA nikAla karanA par3egA / praznakartA : mokSa ke dvAra meM to pudgala ko dAqhila hI kahA~ honA hai? vahA~ to AtmA ko hI dAqhila honA hai / dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA pada prApta hone ke bAda mokSa meM dAqhila huA jA sakegA, aisA hai| bAkI sabameM se rAga-dveSa khatma ho jAe~, taba jo bacA vaha cAritramoha kahalAtA hai, usakI nirjarA ho jAe ki mokSa ho jAegA ! praznakartA : karma kI nirjarA kaisI hotI hai? dAdAzrI : Apa zuddhAtmA meM hoM, to saba karma kI nirjarA hI hai kyA nirjarA hotI hai, usase Apako kyA kAma hai? roz2a zaucAlaya meM Apa dekhate rahate ho ki Aja pIlA huA yA kAlA huA? yaha bhI eka nirjarA hI hai, deha kI eka prakAra kI nirjarA hai| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai, parantu nirjarA pUrI kaba hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : pUrI karake Apako kyA karanA hai? -

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AptavANI-5 155 praznakartA : phira patA calegA na ki aba mokSa jaldI A gyaa| dAdAzrI : aise jaldabAz2I karane jAo vahA~ dUsarI jhAr3I laga jAegI! yaha jaldabAjI kA mArga nahIM hai| yaha to jAgRti rakhane kA mArga hai| zuddha upayoga meM raho, usase apane Apa hI nirjarA hotI hI rhegii| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| isalie to hama bhI aisA kahate haiM ki hameM mokSa jAne kI jaldI nahIM hai, hameM jaldabAz2I kisalie? yahA~ para hI hameM mokSa bartatA hai, taba hameM dUsarA kauna-sA mokSa cAhie? aura vaha mokSa to niyamapUrvaka hai| vaha to apane Apa borDa para A jAegA ki tIna bajakara tIna sekanDa para hogA! hama logoM ko jaldabAz2I karane kI kyA z2arUrata hai? praznakartA : mokSa, vaha nizcita hI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nizcita mata mAna lenaa| nizcita hotA taba to phira sabhI caina se so jaaeNge| aisA nahIM hai| zuddha upayoga se abaMdha dazA 'Apa zuddha upayoga meM hI raho' itanA hama kahanA cAhate haiN| aura kucha bhI mata socnaa| yaha dina nahIM hai ki abhI pUrA ho jAegA! yaha to saMsAra hai| Apa apane upayoga meM rahoge to sArA hisAba chUTa jAegA! hama soca meM par3eM ki kaba pUrA hogA?' to dUsarA bhUta ghusa jaaegaa| hameM kisalie jaldI hai? hamameM cAritramoha bahuta kama hai, aura ApakA Dhera sArA hotA hai, parantu ApakA bhI dinoMdina kama hI hotA jA rahA hai| cAritramoha jAtA hai, vaha mukti dekara hI jAtA hai| pA~ca lAkha cAritramoha ke mehamAna the, usameM se aba pA~ca sau gae, ve pA~ca sau kama ho gae, phira vApisa pA~ca sau gae, phira pA~ca sau gae, aise kama hI hote jA rahe haiN| phira pA~ca lAkha ke cAra lAkha ho jAe~ge, phira tIna lAkha, phira do lAkha, aise karate-karate khatma ho jaaegaa| hama phira ginate raheM ki kitane rahe, kitane rahe, hameM use ginakara kyA kAma hai?

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156 AptavANI-5 zuddha upayoga meM rahe ki saMvara sahita nirjarA hotI hI rhegii| praznakartA : usakA artha aisA huA ki jitanA adhika zuddha upayoga meM raho, utanI adhika nirjarA hogI? dAdAzrI : zuddha upayoga hI kAma kregaa| ApakA dharma zuddha upayoga hai| vaha jitanA cUkoge utanI Apako mAra pdd'egii| aura hamane jo pA~ca AjJAe~ dI haiM, ve zuddha upayoga meM rakhane ke hetu ke lie hI hai| pA~ca AjJA pAlI, vahI zuddha upayoga hai| usameM se eka pAlI, phira bhI vaha zuddha upayoga hI hai| pA~ca meM se eka Apase nahIM pAlI jAegI? praznakartA : dAdA, isameM aisA hai na ki eka pAlo na to pA~coM pala jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to balki acchA hai na? eka pAlI to pA~coM kA lAbha milatA hai| yaha to bahuta AsAna aura sarala hai| kucha bhI muzkila nahIM hai| sira para koI DA~TanevAlA nahIM hai| nahIM to sira para guru mahArAja hoM, ve to tela nikAla DAleM! subaha uThe taba se hameM DA~Tate raheMge! karma kA Ayojana - kriyA yA dhyAna? praznakartA : abhI jo bhogate haiM usameM ApakA kahanA hai ki Ayojana hai| unameM kriyamANa bhI hote haiM aura saMcita bhI hote haiM, to usa karma aura kAraNa kA Ayojana kisa taraha samajheM? dAdAzrI : vaha Ayojana apanI kriyA para AdhArita nahIM hotaa| apane dhyAna para AdhArita hai| Apa nagInabhAI ke dabAva se pA~ca haz2Ara rupaye dharmadAna meM do to Apa dete z2arUra ho, parantu ApakA dhyAna vAstavika nahIM thaa| praznakartA : bahuta icchA nahIM thii| dAdAzrI : nahIM, icchA nahIM thI, aisA nahIM hai| icchA kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| icchA se karma nahIM ba~dhate, dhyAna para AdhArita hai| icchA to

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AptavANI-5 157 ho yA nahIM bhI ho| paise dete samaya mana meM aisA hotA hai ki 'ye nagInabhAI nahIM hote to maiM detA hI nhiiN|' yAnI ulTA Apa dAna dekara jAnavara meM jAoge - yaha raudradhyAna bA~dhA islie| praznakartA : dhyAna kisa para AdhArita hai? / dAdAzrI : dhyAna to Apake DevalapamenTa para AdhArita hai| Apako jisa jJAna kA DevalapamenTa huA hai, usa para AdhArita hai| Apa kharAba karoge parantu aMdara dhyAna U~cA hogA to Apako puNya bNdhegaa| zikArI hiraNa ko mAre, parantu aMdara khUba pachatAvA kare ki 'yaha mere hisse meM kahA~ AyA? ina bIvI-baccoM ke lie mujhe yaha majabUrana karanA par3a rahA hai!' to vaha dhyAna U~cA gayA, aisA kahA jaaegaa| necara (kudarata) kriyA nahIM dekhtii| usa samaya kA ApakA dhyAna dekhatI hai| icchA bhI nahIM dekhtii| kisI vyakti ne Apako lUTa liyA, to usa samaya Apake mana ke sabhI bhAva raudra ho jAte haiN| aMdhere meM aise bhAva ho jAte haiM aura zuddha prakAza ho vahA~ kaise bhAva hoMge? 'vyavasthita' kahakara bhAvAbhAva hue bagaira Age calane lageMge! dharma, artha, kAma aura mokSa praznakartA : dharma, artha, kAma aura mokSa - jIvana ke ye cAra pada jarA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : artha yAnI apane yahA~ loga jise sAMsArika svArtha kahate haiM vh| vahA~ se lekara paramArtha taka kA artha vaha artha hai| TheTha paramAtmA taka artha rahatA hai| paramArtha kA artha kyA hai? AtmA saMbaMdhI hI jahA~ para svArtha hai, dUsarA koI svArtha hai hI nahIM, AtmA ke alAvA saMsAra saMbaMdhI koI svArtha hI nahIM hai, vaha paramArtha kahalAtA hai| aura AtmA saMbaMdhI svArthI to 'jJAnI puruSa' hote haiN|

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158 AptavANI-5 artha phira jisa svArtha meM le jAtA hai, usa samaya vaha sakAma meM pariNAmita hotA hai aura jaba artha paramArtha meM jAtA hai taba niSkAma meM pariNAmita hotA hai| vahI kA vahI kAma mokSa meM le jAtA hai aura vahI kA vahI kAma saMsAra meM bhaTakAtA hai| dharma meM bhI vahI kA vahI dharma saMsAra meM bhaTakAtA hai aura vahI kA vahI dharma mokSa meM le jAtA hai| praznakartA : dharma kI paribhASA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : isa saMsAra meM bhaTakAe vaha zubha dharma hai aura mokSa meM le jAe vaha zuddha dharma hai| dharma kA nAma kyoM par3A? taba kahe ki adharma thA isalie dharma nAma pdd'aa| arthAt yaha dharmAdharma hai| saMsAra ke dharmiSTha puruSa kyA karate haiM? adharma ke vicAra Ae~, unheM pUrA dina dhakke mArate rahate haiN| adharma ko dhakkA mAranA, use dharma kahA hai| praznakartA : dharma kA pAlana kare to adharma oTomeTikalI nikala jAegA na? dAdAzrI : dharma do prakAra ke haiN| eka svAbhAvika dharma aura dUsarA vizeSa dhrm| jaba zuddhAtmA prApta hotA hai taba svAbhAvika dharma meM Ate haiN| svAbhAvika dharma hI saccA dharma hai| usa dharma meM kucha bhI 'bInanA' hai hI nhiiN| vizeSa dharma meM sArA hI 'bInanA' hai| laukika dharma kise kahate haiM? dAna denA, logoM para upakAra karanA, oblAijiMga necara rakhanA, logoM kI sevA karanI, una sabhI ko dharma kahA hai| unase puNya ba~dhate haiN| aura gAliyA~ dene se, mArapITa karane se, lUTa lene se, pApa ba~dhate haiN| puNya aura pApa jahA~ hai, vahA~ saccA dharma hai hI nhiiN| saccA dharma puNya-pApa se rahita hai| jahA~ puNya-pApa ko heya mAnA jAtA hai aura upAdeya khuda ke svarUpa ko mAnA jAtA hai, vaha riyala dharma hai| arthAt ye riyala aura rileTiva, donoM dharma alaga haiN|

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AptavANI-5 159 artha sAMsArika svArtha meM pariNAmita ho, vaha adharma aura Atmika svArtha meM pariNAmita ho, vaha dharma kahalAtA hai| vaisA hI sakAma aura niSkAma kA hai| praznakartA : dharma ke binA koI jIva raha sakatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : koI jIva dharma se bAhara hotA hI nahIM hai| dharma meM hotA hai yA phira adharma meM hotA hai, usake sivAya nahIM hotA hai| praznakartA : kucha Izvara ko nahIM mAnate haiM na? dAdAzrI : isa jagat meM Izvara ko nahIM mAnanevAloM ko hameM nAstika nahIM kahanA hai| unheM nAstika kahanA bhayaMkara gunAha hai| usakA kyA kAraNa hai? jise 'maiM hU~' aisA svayaM ke astitva kA bhAna hai, ve Astika kahalAte haiM aura dharma saba alaga-alaga prakAra ke hote haiN| koI nIti kA pramANa mAnatA hai, koI satya kA pramANa mAnatA hai, koI manuSyoM ko bacAne kA pramANa mAnatA hai, vaha bhI eka dharma kA caraNa hI hai| maMdira banavAne kA nAma hI dharma nahIM hai| jo pUrNataH nItiparAyaNa hai vaha kabhI bhI maMdira meM darzana karane nahIM jAe to bhI clegaa| use dUsarI kisI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| prAmANikatA to dharma kA sabase bar3A sAdhana hai| prAmANikatA aura nIti jaisA bar3A aura koI dharmasAdhana hai hI nhiiN| yaha to nIti, prAmANikatA jaisA kucha nahIM rahatA, isalie phira khuda dharma meM jAkara, maMdira meM jAkara, 'he prabhu! maiM kapar3A khIMcakara becatA hU~, parantu mujhe mAfa karanA' aisA kahatA hai| ye vyApArI kapar3A becate samaya khIMcate haiM, ve kisalie khIMcate haiM? maiM unheM pUchatA hU~ ki bhagavAna kI bhakti karate ho aura yaha kapar3A kisalie khIMcate ho? taba ve kahate haiM ki sabhI khIMcate haiM, isalie maiM bhI khIMcatA huuN| maiMne kahA, 'saba to kue~ meM gireMge, tuma bhI giroge? tuma kisalie khIMcate ho?' taba vyApArI kahatA hai, 'cAlIsa mITara kapar3A dete haiM, usameM khIMcakhIMcakara deM to pAva mITara bar3hatA hai!' are, yaha khIMcane kI kasarata kisalie karatA hai? are, yaha to tU bAra-bAra raudradhyAna karatA hai! terI kyA dazA hogI? mahAvIra kI sabhA meM baiThA huA maiMne tujhe dekhA thaa| mahAvIra kI sabhA meM

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160 AptavANI-5 baiThe the, ve hI loga abhI yahA~ para kapar3A khIMcakara nApate rahate haiM aura isalie ina logoM kI mokSa meM jAne kI bArI nahIM aatii| ye to caTanI ke lie baiThe hue haiN| kahIM pUre thAla ke lie ye loga nahIM baiThe hue haiN| praznakartA : satya, ahiMsA, prAmANikatA, ye saba jo divya guNa haiM, unameM se ekAdha guNa kI upAsanA kareM to aisA hai ki bAkI ke oTomeTika A jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : eka pakar3a le to saba A jaaeNge| eka ko pakar3akara baiTha jAe to sAre hI A jAe~ge! chUTane kA kAmI praznakartA : zraddhA se manuSya jIvana meM Tika sakatA hai? vaha kisa prakAra? dAdAzrI : hama eka sTImara meM baiThe, phira kisIke mana meM aisA vahama AyA ki yaha sTImara DUba jAe aisA hai, to hama utara jAte haiM aura zraddhA baiThe to? to phira baiThe rahoge yA nahIM baiThe rahoge? kyA lagatA hai Apako? zraddhA nahIM baiThe to turanta hI uTha jaaegaa| praznakartA : kaIbAra hama zraddhA rakhakara kAma karate haiM, parantu usameM hameM muzkila hI AtI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha zraddhA nahIM hai, vaha vizvAsa hai| vizvAsa meM muzkileM AtI hai, zraddhA meM nahIM aatiiN| praznakartA : mere sAtha aisA huA hai| dAdAzrI : zraddhA aura vizvAsa do alaga cIjeM haiN| zraddhA bilIfa ke adhIna hai| vizvAsa Ae, vahA~ para usakA vizvAsaghAta bhI ho sakatA hai! yaha pUrA jagat hI bilIfa ke AdhAra para cala rahA hai| parantu isa jagat meM duHkha kyoM hai? kyoMki use roMga bilIpheM milI haiM aura yadi rAiTa bilIfa hotI to isa jagat meM duHkha hote hI nahIM! jIva mAtra bilIfa,

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AptavANI-5 161 mAnyatA para hI hai| isameM manuSya ke alAvA anya jIva to Azrita hI haiN| devI-devatA, jAnavara sabhI Azrita hI haiN| sirpha manuSya hI nirAzrita hai| praznakartA : ye manuSya nirAzrita haiM, vaha kisa prakAra? ye devI-devatA Azrita haiM, vaha kisa prakAra? dAdAzrI : sirpha manuSya hI nirAzrita hai| manuSya ke alAvA dUsarA koI jIva, devI-devatA bhI, 'maiM kartA hU~' aisA bhAna nahIM rakhate haiN| aura jahA~ para kartA banA, vahA~ bhagavAna kA Azraya chUTa jAtA hai| bhagavAna kyA kahate haiM? 'bhAI, tU kara letA hai to tU alaga aura maiM alaga!' phira bhagavAna kA aura ApakA kyA lenA-denA? Apa phira thaka jAte ho, Uba jAte ho isalie mahAvIra bhagavAna kI mUrti yA kRSNa bhagavAna kI mUrti ke sAmane baiThakara sira phor3ate ho| phira vahA~ para koI bApa bhI Azrita ke rUpa meM svIkAra nahIM kregaa| karttApana kI roMga bilIfa TUTegI tabhI Apa Azrita ho, sarvasva ho! parantu roMga bilIfa chUTatI nahIM na? praznakartA : 'dAdA' chur3avAte haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha to chUTanA ho unheM chur3avAte haiN| jise chUTanA hI nahIM ho use kisa taraha chur3avAe? kyoMki bhagavAna ke ghara para bhI niyama hai| bhagavAna kA kyA niyama hai? jise chUTanA ho use bhagavAna kabhI bhI bA~dhate nahIM haiM aura jise ba~dhanA ho use kabhI bhI chur3avAte nahIM haiM! aba jagat meM logoM ko pUchane jAe~ ki Apako ba~dhanA hai yA chUTanA hai? praznakartA : hameM kisa taraha se samajha meM AegA ki ba~dhanA hai yA chUTanA hai? dAdAzrI : ba~dhane ke kAraNoM kA sevana karate haiM yA chUTane ke kAraNa kA sevana karate haiM, usa para se samajha meM aaegaa| chUTane ke kAraNoM kA sevana kare, use chUTane ke saMyoga mila jAte haiN| vahA~ use bhagavAna helpa hI karate rahate haiM aura jo ba~dhane ke kAraNoM kA sevana karatA hai, use bhI bhagavAna

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162 AptavANI-5 helpa karate rahate haiN| bhagavAna kA to helpa karane kA hI kAma hai na! praznakartA : helpa kareM usameM bhagavAna kA pakSapAta hai kyA? madada karane jitanA pakSapAta hai? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna khuda madada nahIM karate, yaha kudaratI racanA hai sArI - svataMtra : sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| kyoMki jIva mAtra svataMtra hai| svataMtra arthAt kudarata usakI madada meM hotI hI hai| khuda kahegA ki mujhe corI karanI hai to caMdra, tAre, sabakucha hAz2ira hote haiN| bhagavAna to usameM sirpha 'lAiTa' dene kA kAma hI karate haiN| usameM mUla corI karane kA bhAva khuda kA hai| kudarata use usakA puNya jahA~ kharca karavAnA ho vahA~ para helpa karatI hai, yAnI ki use usake sAre saMyoga milavA detI hai| bhagavAna isameM sirpha lAiTa hI dete rahate haiN| bhakti, yoga aura dhyAna praznakartA : gItA meM kahA hai ki pRthvI para pApa kA bhAra bar3ha jAtA hai taba usakA nAza karane ke lie 'maiM' janma letA hU~, vaha 'maiM' kauna hai? dAdAzrI : use hI AtmA kahate haiM, maiM arthAt kRSNa nhiiN| 'maiM' kA artha hI aatmaa| niyama aisA hai ki jaba-jaba pRthvI para pApa kA bhAra bar3hatA hai, taba kisI mahAna puruSa kA janma ho hI jAtA hai| arthAt pratyeka yuga meM mahAna puruSoM kA janma hotA hai| praznakartA : aisA kahate haiM ki zrI kRSNa bhagavAna ne rAsalIlA kI thI, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna rAsalIlA khele hI nhiiN| Apako kisane kahA ki bhagavAna rAsalIlA khele the? ve to sArI bAte haiN| kRSNa to mahAna yogezvara the| logoM ne rAsalIlA meM lAkara unakA durupayoga kiyaa| kRSNa kA do prakAra se ArAdhana kiyA jAtA hai| bAlamaMdira ke manuSya haiM, unheM bAlakRSNa ke darzana karane cAhie aura vaikuMTha meM jAnA ho, unheM

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AptavANI-5 163 yogezvara kRSNa ke darzana karane caahie| ina do tarIkoM meM se Apako kyA cAhie? praznakartA : bhakti-dhyAna, vaha nazA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : to phira nazevAlA jIvana jInA acchA yA kudaratI! dAdAzrI : kudaratI jIvana jInA ho to bahuta hI acchaa| yaha sArA kudaratI rakhA hI kahA~ hai? isa kudarata ne bahuta hI suMdara kiyA hai! kudaratI ho tabhI pragati hai, nahIM to pragati nahIM! __ praznakartA : kuMDalinI kA jo dhyAna karate haiM, vaha khulI A~khoM se kareM, vaha acchA hai yA baMda A~khoM se kareM vaha acchA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai ki dhyAna Apa khulI A~khoM se karoge to bhI baMdhana hai aura baMda A~khoM se karoge to bhI baMdhana hai| kuMDalinI kA dhyAna nahIM karanA hai| dhyAna khuda ke svarUpa kA karanA hai| kuMDalinI to usameM sAdhana hai| sAdhana kA upayoga karanA hai| khuda ke svarUpa kI ramaNatA utpanna ho gaI, usIkA nAma mukti| praznakartA : sAMkhyayoga kisa taraha prApta hotA hai? dAdAzrI : sirpha sAMkhya eka paMkhavAlA kahalAtA hai| usase ur3A nahIM jA sktaa| isalie sAMkhya aura yoga, una do paMkhoM se ur3A jA sakatA hai! binA yoga ke, binA mAnasika pUjA ke Age bar3hA kisa taraha jAegA? mAnasika pUjA vagairaha sabakI vyavasthA kI hai, vaha kitanI acchI vyavasthA yaha sAMkhya arthAt jJAna jAnanA caahie| deha ke dharma, mana ke dharma, buddhi ke dharma, AtmA ke dharma, vaha saba jAnanA caahie| use hI sAMkhya kahA jAtA hai aura binA yoga ke sAMkhya prApta nahIM kiyA jA sktaa| isalie yoga, yahA~ mAnasika pUjA (guru mahArAja kI) ki jinake AdhAra para Apa

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164 AptavANI-5 pragati karanA cAhate ho, unakA AdhAra lenA par3egA, avalaMbana lenA par3egA, to Age kAma bddh'egaa| praznakartA : ziva kI pahacAna kyA hai? ziva kahA~ para hai? dAdAzrI : jo kalyANa svarUpa ho cuke hoM, ve puruSa ziva kahalAte haiM praznakartA : nirvicAra aura nirvikalpa, una donoM meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| nirvicAra arthAt vicAra rahitatA aura nirvikalpa arthAt vikalpa rhittaa| vicAra khatma ho gae yAnI zUnya ho gyaa| vicArazUnya sAdhu bana jAte haiM, kucha loga aise bhI bana jAte haiN| vicAra karanA baMda kara detA hai, phira vicAroM para dhyAna nahIM detA, isalie phira dinoMdina vicArazUnya arthAt patthara jaisA hotA jAtA hai| aise Upara se suMdara dikhatA hai, zAMtamUrti lagatA hai, parantu bhItara jJAna nahIM hotA! praznakartA : nirvikalpa kA artha kucha loga nirvicAra batAte haiN| dAdAzrI : 'jJAnI' ke alAvA nirvikalpa koI hotA hI nhiiN| nirvicArI kaI ho sakate haiN| vicArazUnyatA meM se phira vApisa use vicAra kI bhUmikA utpanna karanI pdd'egii| mana vicAra karanA baMda kara de, to sabakucha 'sTenDasTila' (thamanA) ho jaaegaa| isalie kRpAludeva ne aisA kahA hai ki, 'kara vicAra to prApta kr|' arthAt vicAra kI to TheTha taka z2arUrata par3egI aura 'prApti ke bAda vicAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai phir| phira vicAra jJeya bana jAte haiM aura khuda jJAtA banatA hai| praznakartA : mahAvIra svAmI ne aMtima dezanA dI, to usa samaya bhI unheM vicAra to the hI, aisA artha huA na? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna mahAvIra ko bhI TheTha taka vicAra the| parantu unake vicAra kaise the ki pratyeka samaya para eka vicAra Ae aura jaae| use nirvicAra kahA jA sakatA hai| hama vivAhasthala para khar3e hoM taba sabhI loga namaskAra karane Ate haiM na! namaskAra karake Age calane lagate haiN| arthAt

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AptavANI-5 165 eka karma kA udaya huA aura usakA vicAra AyA, phira vaha karma calA jAtA hai, phira vApisa dUsarA karma udaya meM AtA hai| isa prakAra udaya aura asta hote rahate haiN| kisI jagaha para rukate nahIM haiN| unakI mana kI graMthiyA~ saba khatma ho cukI hotI haiM, isalie unheM vicAra parezAna nahIM karate! hameM bhI vicAra parezAna nahIM karate! vicAra to mana kA dharma hai| eka vicAra Ae aura jAe aura kucha bhI sparza nahIM kare, use manolaya hI kahA jAtA hai| mana kA tUfAna nahIM hotaa| mana bagIce jaisA lagatA hai, garmI meM phuhAreM ur3atI rahatI hoM vaisA lagatA hai, aura nirvikalpa to bahuta U~cA pada hai| karttApada kA bhAna TUTA vaha nirvikalpa huaa| dehAdhyAsa jAne ke bAda nirvikalpa pada AtA hai| praznakartA : samAdhi aura suSupta avasthA ke bAre meM khie| dAdAzrI : Aja hamAre deza meM jise samAdhi mAnate haiM, ve suSupta avasthA ko hI samAdhi kahate haiN| kucha mahAtmA mana ke 'leyarsa' (parateM) meM gahare utara jAte haiN| koI buddhi ke leyarsa meM utara jAtA hai| usa samaya bAhara kA bhAna bhUla jAte haiM, use laukika samAdhi kahA jAtA hai| samAdhi kise kahate haiM? akhaMDa jAgRtipUrvaka kI samAdhi kA nAma samAdhi! zarIra ke Upara dhUla kA eka kaNa bhI gira gayA ho to patA cala jAe, use samAdhi kahate haiN| apane yahA~ loga henDala mArakara samAdhi karane jAte haiM, use samAdhi nahIM khte| vaha kalcarDa samAdhi kahalAtI hai| saccI samAdhi majhe niraMtara rahatI hai| Adhi-vyAdhi-upAdhi meM bhI samAdhi rahatI hai vaha saccI samAdhi! abhI mujhe jela meM DAlane ke lie pakar3akara le jAe to bhI merI samAdhi jAegI nahIM! aisI hI dazA rahegI! yahA~ para mukta hai usameM bhI samAdhi hai, vahA~ jela meM bhI samAdhi hai| praznakartA : dhyAna karane se prakAza kA anubhava hotA hai, vaha mAnasika hotA hai yA vAstava meM? dAdAzrI : vaha prakAza hI nahIM hai, vaha to kalpanA hai| ina sabhI kalpanAoM ko hI satya mAnA hai|

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166 AptavANI-5 maiM 17-18 varSa kA thA taba A~kha dabAkara maiMne eka prayoga kiyA thaa| eka bar3A camakArA huA aura ujAlA-ujAlA dikhA ! maiM soca meM par3a gayA ki yaha kyA huA! phira mujhe samajha meM AyA ki yaha to A~kha kI lAiTa calI gii| jo bhautika hai vaha kabhI bhI AtmA honevAlA nahIM hai, jo AtmA hai vaha kabhI bhI bhautika nahIM ho sktaa| donoM nirAlI hI vastue~ haiN| praznakartA : nirguNa arthAt kyA? dAdAzrI : nirguNa arthAt jahA~ para prakRti kA eka bhI guNa nahIM rahA vaha, aura saguNa arthAt dehadhArI rUpa meM paramAtmA Ae hoM to saguNa paramAtmA kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : mokSa kA rAstA kyA? dAdAzrI : Apa ba~dhe hue ho aisA Apako lagatA hai? jise jela meM DAlA ho, use mukti caahie| praznakartA : baMdhana to hai hI na! dAdAzrI : baMdhana meM kyA-kyA lagatA hai? praznakartA : abhI to yaha saMsAra bahuta acchA lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : kar3avA nahIM lagatA? praznakartA : gaharAI meM jAe~ to kar3avA lge| dAdAzrI : itanI adhika kar3avAhaTa lagatI hai, phira bhI isa jIva kA kaisA svabhAva hai? vaha vApisa Ama kATakara khAkara so jAtA hai! are abhI to bIvI ke sAtha lar3A thA aura vApisa kyA dekhakara Ama khA rahA hai? lar3AI hotI hai aura bIvI Ama kATakara de to kisa kAma kI? eka bAra lar3AI ho jAe, vaha kisa kAma kA? Apa calA lete haiM yA nahIM calA lete? phira Apa lar3o to vaha bhI calA legI, phira kyA kare vaha? donoM 'majisTreTa'!

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AptavANI-5 167 praznakartA : manuSya jIvana kA mukhya hetu sAdhane kA mArga kauna-sA dAdAzrI : yaha manuSya jIvana isalie hI milA hai ki yahA~ se apanI mukti ho sakatI hai, bhagavAna kI prApti kI jA sakatI hai| manuSyagati meM se hI mukti hotI hai| anaMta janmoM se hama prayatna karate rahate haiM, parantu saccA mArga nahIM miltaa| saccA mArga mile taba manuSyajanma meM se mukti ho sake, aisA hai| dUsarI kisI yoni meM mukti nahIM ho sakatI, manuSyayoni meM hI ajJAna se mukti ho sakatI hai, deha sahita mukti ho sakatI hai| ___ isa manuSya jIvana kA hetu jo hai, use sAdhane kA mArga, 'jJAnI puruSa' hameM mileM, to prApta ho sakatA hai, aura apanA sabhI prakAra kA kAma ho sakatA hai| asaMyogI, vahI mokSa praznakartA : hameM mokSa nahIM cAhie, parantu saMyoga rahita honA hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI jahA~ saMyoga hoMge vahA~ para viyoga hogA hii| Apa kAna isa taraha ulTA pakar3avAte ho! AtmA ke sAtha koI saMyoga nahIM rahe arthAt mokSa ho gayA! yaha to sthUla saMyoga, sUkSma saMyoga aura vANI ke saMyoga milate hI rahate haiM aura ve saMyoga phira viyogI svabhAva ke haiN| viyogI vastu kucha aura nahIM hai| arthAt Apako sirpha saMyogoM kI ciMtA karanI hai ki sAtha meM saMyoga nahIM raheM! sirpha saMyoga nahIM raheMge to bahuta ho gyaa| isalie bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki, 'ego me zASao appA... tamhA saMjoga saMbaMdham, savvam tiviheNa vosariyAmi...' isa prakAra Apako saMyoga arpaNa kara dene haiM aura phira mokSa nahIM cAhie, aisA bolate ho! praznakartA : dharma ke prati manuSya ko AkarSaNa nahIM hotA, thor3A

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AptavANI-5 samaya hotA hai aura phira chor3a detA hai phira dharma kI tarapha jAtA hai, aisA kyoM? 168 dAdAzrI : isa jagat meM sirpha AkarSaNa hI nahIM hai / AkarSaNa aura vikarSaNa donoM haiM, ve dvaMdvarUpa haiM / yaha jagat hI dvaMdvarUpa hai| sirpha AkarSaNa yA sirpha vikarSaNa nahIM hotA hai, nahIM to phira se AkarSaNa hogA hI nahIM aura sirpha dharma kA AkarSaNa hogA to bhI loga Uba jAe~ge, kyoMki isa saMsAra meM jo dharma calate haiM, ve yathArtha dharma nahIM haiM, bhrAMtidharma haiM / praznakartA : parantu isa bhrAMtidharma kI bhI z2arUrata hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, Devalapa hone ke lie z2arUrI hai / kuTate -kuTate Age bar3hanA hai| jaise-jaise kuTatA hai, pisatA hai vaise-vaise buddhi bar3hatI hai / jaisejaise buddhi bar3hatI hai, vaise-vaise jalana bar3hatI jAtI hai isalie svadharma kI zaraNa DhUMr3hatA hai| saccI sAmAyika praznakartA : dAdA, zAstra par3hate hue thakAna lagatI hai, sAmAyika karate hue thakAna lagatI hai, pratikramaNa karate hue thakAna lagatI hai, pUjA karate hue thakAna lagatI hai, thakAna lage to kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna ne sAmAyika kise kahA hai? jise ArtadhyAna, aura raudradhyAna nahIM hoM, use pUre dina hI sAmAyika hai, aisA kahA hai! mahAvIra bhagavAna kitane samajhadAra the ! Apake lie kucha bhI mehanata karane kA rakhA nahIM, aura ina logoM kI eka bhI sAmAyika bhagavAna eksepTa nahIM karate, ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna eka guMThANe ke lie yAnI, ar3atAlIsa miniTa ke lie baMda ho jAne caahie| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' karake sAmAyika karate hai, jaise isa nIma ko kATa deM taba bhI phira se phUTatA hai, phira bhI vaha kar3avA hI rahatA hai nA? kyoM, kATane ke bAda aMdara cInI DAleM, taba bhI kar3avA rahegA? praznakartA : hA~, mUla meM hI aisA hai, dAdA / dAdAzrI : mUla svabhAva meM hI aisA hai dAdA ! vaise hI ye caMdUlAla

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AptavANI-5 169 sAre rAga-dveSa baMda karake sAmAyika meM baiThe, to ve kisakI sAmAyika kareMge? na to AtmA jAnA, na hI mithyAtva samajhate haiM ! jo mithyAtva samajhatA hai use samakita hue bagaira rahegA hI nhiiN| yAnI sAmAyika karane ke lie seTha baiThe ho, parantu unheM aura kucha AtA nahIM hai, to ve kyA kareM? khuda kA eka gherA banA dete haiM aura dUsare koI vicAra Ae~, dukAna ke, lakSmI ke, viSaya ke, to unheM ghere se bAhara hA~kate rahate haiM! jisa taraha eka ghere meM gAya ke bachar3e ghusa jAte hoM, kutte ghusa jAte hoM, to unheM hA~kate rahate haiM aura ghere meM ghusane nahIM dete haiM, use sAmAyika kahate haiN| phira bhI vaha sAmAyika ho jAtI hai, kyoMki ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna usameM nahIM hote haiN| praznakartA : ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna usameM nahIM hote haiM, taba phira samatA hI kahalAegI na? dAdAzrI : parantu ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna jAte nahIM hai| ve to rahate hI haiN| isalie sAmAyika karane se pahale yaha vidhi karanI par3atI hai, 'he bhagavAna! yaha caMdUlAla, merA nAma, yaha merI kAyA, yaha merI jAta, merA mithyAtva, sabakucha Apako arpaNa karatA huuN| abhI mujhe yaha sAmAyika karate samaya vItarAga bhAva diijie|' aise vidhipUrvaka kareM to kAma hogaa| praznakartA : tIrthaMkara banane ke lie isa kAla meM kaise guNoM kI z2arUrata par3egI? dAdAzrI : niraMtara jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA, dUsarI koI bhI bhAvanA nahIM hotii| khAne ke lie jo mile, sone ke lie jo mile, z2amIna para sone ko mile, phira bhI niraMtara bhAvanA kyA hotI hai? jagat kA kisa taraha kalyANa ho| aba vaha bhAvanA utpanna kise hotI hai? khuda kA kalyANa ho cukA ho, use yaha bhAvanA utpanna hotI hai| jisakA khuda kA kalyANa nahIM huA ho, vaha jagat kA kalyANa kisa taraha karegA? bhAvanA kare to hogaa| 'jJAnI puruSa' mila jAe~ to use usa 'sTeja' meM lA dete haiM, aura sTeja meM Ane ke bAda unakI AjJA meM rahe to bhAvanA karanA sIkha jAtA hai|

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170 AptavANI-5 praznakartA : namaskAra aura vaMdana, ye donoM samAna kakSA ke haiM yA alaga-alaga bhAva haiM? dAdAzrI : donoM alaga-alaga bhAva se haiN| namaskAra to bahuta U~cI cIz2a hai| vaMdana to, yoM hI aise hama sira jhukAkara khar3e-khar3e hAtha jor3eM, use vaMdana kahate haiM aura namaskAra to kitane hI aMga jamIna para sparza hote haiM taba hotA hai| apane meM sASTAMga namaskAra kahate hai na? arthAt AThoM hI aMga z2amIna ko sparza kareM, taba vaha namaskAra mAnA jAtA hai| parantu eka bAra hI yadi sacce dila se kareM na, to bhI bahuta ho gayA! praznakartA : jJAna becA jA sakatA hai? kucha loga unake pravacanoM kI TikiTa rakhate haiN| dAdAzrI : aisA hai ki jahA~ paisoM kA lena-dena hai, vahA~ jJAna hai hI nhiiN| vaha saMsArI jJAna hotA hai, vaha mokSa kA jJAna nahIM hai| praznakartA : jIvoM kA aisA koI krama hai ki manuSya meM Ane ke bAda manuSya meM hI AegA yA aura kahIM jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : hindustAna meM manuSyajanma meM Ane ke bAda cAroM hI gatiyoM meM bhaTakanA par3atA hai| faoNrena ke manuSyoM ko aisA nahIM hai| unameM do-pA~ca pratizata apavAda hote haiM, bAkI ke sabhI U~ce car3hate hI rahate haiN| praznakartA : ye loga jinheM vidhAtA kahate haiM, ve kise kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : ve kudarata ko hI vidhAtA kahate haiN| vidhAtA nAma kI koI devI nahIM hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa (vaijJAnika sAMyogika pramANa) vahI vidhAtA hai| apane yahA~ logoM ne nakkI kiyA hai ki chaThI ke dina vidhAtA lekha likha jAte haiN| vikalpoM se yaha saba ThIka hai aura vAstavika jAnanA ho, to yaha ThIka nahIM hai| praznakartA : nirdoSa bAlaka ko zArIrika vedanA bhugatanI par3atI hai, usakA kyA kAraNa hai?

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AptavANI-5 171 dAdAzrI : bAlaka ke karma ke udaya bAlaka ko bhugatane haiM aura madara ko vaha dekhakara bhugatane hote haiN| mUla karma bAlaka kA, usameM madara kI anumodanA thI, isalie madara ko dekhakara bhugatanA par3atA hai| karanA, karavAnA aura anumodana karanA, ye tInoM karmabaMdhana ke kAraNa haiN| praznakartA : svastika kA kyA artha hai? dAdAzrI : svastika kA 'simbala' (cihna) gatisUcaka hai, usakI cAra bhujAe~ cAra gatiyoM ko sUcita karatI haiM aura senTara meM mokSa hai| cAra gatiyoM meM se aMta meM mokSa meM hI jAnA pdd'egaa| cAra gatiyA~ arthAt manuSyagati, devagati, tiryaMca(pazu)gati aura nrkgti| ye cAra gatiyA~ puNya aura pApa ke AdhAra para haiM aura puNya-pApa se rahita ho gayA aura 'jJAna' prApta ho gayA to mokSa kI gati hotI hai| vahA~ para kreDiTa bhI nahIM hai aura DebiTa bhI nahIM hai| yahA~ kreDiTa hotA hai taba devagati meM jAtA hai yA phira pradhAnamaMtrI banatA hai| yaha Apa 'esa.I.' bane, to vaha kreDiTa ke kAraNa hai| aura DebiTa ho to? to mila meM naukarI karanI pdd'egii| pUrA dina mehanata karo to bhI pUrA nahIM par3atA aura kreDiTa-DebiTa nahIM huA to mokSa hotA hai| maMdiroM kA mahatva praznakartA : yadi jinAlaya nahIM hote, maMdira nahIM hote, to phira jisa prakAra hamAre lie dAdAzrI prakaTa hue haiM, usa prakAra se unake lie koI na koI prakaTa huA hotA na? dAdAzrI : vaha to ThIka hai| vaha eka prakAra kA vikalpa hai| aisA huA hai, aisA nahIM hotA to dUsarA koI upAya to hotA na? dUsarA kucha na kucha mila jaataa| parantu ina maMdiroM kA upAya bahuta hI acchA hai| hindustAna kA yaha sabase bar3A sAinsa hai| yaha sabase acchI parokSa bhakti hai, parantu yadi samajhe to! abhI to jinAlaya meM jAte samaya maiM mahAvIra bhagavAna se pUchatA hU~ ki, 'ye saba loga Apake itane adhika darzana karate haiM, to bhI itanI sArI ar3acaneM kyoM AtI haiM?' taba mahAvIra bhagavAna kyA kahate haiM? 'ye loga darzana karate samaya merA phoTo lete haiM, bAhara unake jUte

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AptavANI-5 rakhe hue haiM unakA phoTo lete haiM aura sAtha-sAtha dukAna kA bhI phoTo lete haiM! isalie aisA hotA hai| abhI koI jUte le jAegA, usakA bhI phoTo lete haiM! 172 aMtima pala meM rAmanAma praznakartA : janma-maraNa kA pherA TAlane ke lie isa manuSya ko logoM ne zrI rAma - zrI kRSNa, aise saba nAma die hote haiM, parantu aMtima ghar3I meM kucha bhI yAda nahIM AtA / to aMtima ghar3I meM kyA karanA cAhie ki khuda AtmA meM raha sake aura mokSa meM jA sake ? dAdAzrI : saca kahate haiM, aMtima ghar3I meM isameM se kucha bhI yAda nahIM aataa| aMtima ghar3I meM to pUre jIvana kA sAra yAda AtA hai| sAra meM to sabakucha Alekhana hotA hai| Apa jinAlaya meM darzana karane jAte hoM, to vaha bahIkhAtA bar3A hotA hai / vaha thor3A-bahuta hAz2ira hotA hai ! nahIM to beTiyA~ dikhatI haiM ki isakI zAdI karanI raha gaI / taba bacce kahate haiM, 'cAcA, naukAra maMtra bolo|' taba cAcA kahegA, 'beakkala hai / ' are, jAnevAlA hai aba to sIdhA mara na! yaha akkala kA borA becane jAe to cAra Ane bhI nahIM mileM! abhI jAne kI taiyAriyA~ ho rahI haiM, arthI bA~dhane kI taiyAriyA~ kara rahe haiM, taba yaha vApisa hisAba nikAla rahA hai ! kisa taraha kA hai ? yAnI aMtima ghar3I meM jIvana kA sAra AtA hai / aura kucha bhI nahIM calegA, isalie 'AtmA kA' pahale kara lenA / dAdA bhagavAna kauna? praznakartA : 'dAdA bhagavAna' kauna? dAdAzrI : ye dikhate haiM ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' nahIM haiN| Apako jo yAda Ate haiM, ve sacce 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM ! ye jo dikhate haiM, ve to 'e. ema. paTela' haiM aura bhItara baiThe haiM prakaTa paramAtma svarUpa, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM ! praznakartA : ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' kaba hAz2ira rahate haiM ?

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AptavANI-5 173 dAdAzrI : niraMtara hAz2ira hI haiN| ina sabako niraMtara hAz2ira rahate haiM! praznakartA : parantu ApazrI ko 'dAdA bhagavAna' kyoM kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : yaha 'ApazrI' Apa kise mAnate ho? ye jo dikhate haiM, unheM kahate ho? Apa to unheM hI pahacAnate ho na? 'ApazrI' mujhe kahate ho na, vaha kyA hai? ye jo dikhate haiM, ve to bhAdaraNa gA~va ke paTela haiM aura konTrekTa kA vyavasAya karate haiN| 'dAdA bhagavAna' to aMdara jo vyakta hue haiM, AtmA vyakta huA hai, prakaTa huA hai, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM, jinheM saMsArI 'prakaTa puruSa' kahate haiM! praznakartA : manuSya kadApi Izvara yA paramAtmA nahIM bana sktaa| phira bhI logoM se khuda ke Izvara yA paramAtmA hone kA dAvA kare, IzvarI camatkAra hone kA dAvA kare, vaha kyA ThIka hai? dAdAzrI : vaha dAvA karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai ! 'paramAtmA hU~' aisA kisIse dAvA kiyA hI nahIM jA sakatA, phira bhI yadi kare to vaha mUrkha khlaaegaa| loga mujhe bhagavAna kahate haiM, parantu bhagavAna kise kahate haiM? isa deha ko kabhI bhI bhagavAna nahIM kaha skte| ye to paTela haiN| ye dikhate haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' nahIM haiN| 'dAdA bhagavAna' to bhItara prakaTa hue haiM ve haiM, dehadhArI ko bhagavAna kisa prakAra kaha sakate haiM?! praznakartA : bhagavAna vyakti ke rUpa meM haiM yA zakti ke rUpa meM haiM? dAdAzrI : donoM sacce haiM, parantu jo vyakti ke rUpa meM pUje use adhika lAbha milegaa| vyakti ke rUpa meM arthAt jahA~ bhagavAna vyakta hue ho vahA~! sirpha manuSya meM hI bhagavAna vyakta ho sakate haiM, dUsarI kisI yoni meM bhagavAna vyakta nahIM ho skte| AtmA hI paramAtmA hai, parantu vyakta honA caahie| vyakta ho jAe, khulAsA ho jAe phira ciMtAe~ calI jAtI haiM, upAdhiyA~ jAtI haiN| praznakartA : bhagavAna kahA~ para vyakta hote haiM?

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AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : bhagavAna vyakta ho jAe~, aise nahIM haiN| ve avyaktarUpa meM rahe hue haiM! 174 praznakartA : Apa jaisoM meM hI bhagavAna vyakta hote haiM, aura kahIM para vyakta nahIM hote, isalie hama yahA~ para Ae haiN| dAdAzrI : ve aura kahIM to hote nahIM, kisI hI ghara meM pUrNa ujAlA ho jAtA hai, phira usa ujAle se dUsare sabhI dIpaka prajvalita hote haiN| eka dIye meM se dUsarA dIyA prakAzita hotA hai, parantu acAnaka dIyA to kabhI hI prakaTa hotA hai! hameM sUrata ke sTezana para acAnaka dIyA prajvalita ho gayA thA! praznakartA : ApakA jo vyavahAra hai, vaha bhI zubha vyavahAra meM se hI utpanna hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : saMsAra meM eka to zubha vyavahAra hai aura eka azubha vyavahAra hai| jagat ke loga sirpha zubha vyavahAra meM nahIM raha sakate, ve zubhAzubha meM rahate haiM ! saMta zubha vyavahAra meM rahate haiM aura jo cAra vedoM se Upara pahu~ca cuke haiM, aise 'jJAnI puruSa' zubhAzubha vyavahAra se pare zuddha vyavahAra meM hote haiM ! praznakartA : guru kise kahate hai ? dAdAzrI : bhUlavAlA guru nahIM ho sktaa| parantu ve kaisI bhUleM hotI haiM, to calAI jA sakatI haiM? ki jo bhUleM dUsare kisIko bhI nukasAnadAyaka nahIM ho| khuda hI jAnatA hai ki ye bhUleM abhI taka mujhameM bacI haiM, yAnI ki sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama bhUleM hotI haiM / nahIM to paramAtmA aura unameM pharka hI kyA rahA? 'jJAnI puruSa' khuda dehadhArI rUpa meM paramAtmA hI kahalAte haiM / jinakI eka bhI sthUla bhUla nahIM hai yA eka bhI sUkSma bhUla nahIM hai I jagat do prakAra kI bhUleM dekha sakatA hai : eka sthUla aura eka sUkSma / sthUla bhUleM bAhara kI pablika bhI dekha sakatI hai aura sUkSma bhUleM

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AptavANI-5 buddhijIvI dekha sakate haiN| ye donoM bhUleM 'jJAnI puruSa' meM nahIM hotIM! praznakartA : 'jJAnI puruSa' kisa puNya ke AdhAra para milate haiM? dAdAzrI : puNyAnubaMdhI puNya ke AdhAra para ! yaha saba jo puNya dikhate haiM, ve pApAnubaMdhI puNya haiN| pApAnubaMdhI puNya arthAt baMgalA, moTara, ghara para sabhI suvidhAe~, vaha saba usa puNya ke AdhAra para hotA hai, parantu usa puNya meM se vicAra kharAba Ate haiM, kisakA le lU~, kahA~ se lUTa lU~, kahA~ se ikaTThA kara lU~, kisakA bhoga lU~ ! vaha aNahakka kA bhogane ke lie taiyAra hI hotA hai / aNahakka kI lakSmI bhI le letA hai, vaha saba pApAnubaMdhI puNya kahalAtA hai / puNya ke AdhAra para sukha bhogatA hai, parantu naye anubaMdha pApa ke DAlatA hai ! 175 aura jisa puNya se sukha-suvidhAe~ bahuta nahIM milatIM, parantu ucca vicAra Ate haiM ki, kisa prakAra se kisIko duHkha nahIM ho aisA AcaraNa karU~, bhale hI khuda ko thor3I ar3acana par3atI ho, usameM harja nahIM hai, parantu kisIko upAdhi meM nahIM DAlU~, vaha puNyAnubaMdhI puNya kahalAtA hai| arthAt naye anubaMdha bhI puNya ke Dalate hai 1 praznakartA : mujhe Apake pAsa se 'jJAna' lenA hai parantu hamane pahale guru banAe hue haiM, usase koI muzkila to nahIM AegI na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, Apake guru ko rahane denA, guru ke binA kisa taraha calegA? ve guru hameM sAMsArika dharma sikhalAte haiM / 'kyA acchA karanA hai aura kyA kharAba chor3a denA hai' ve sArI bAteM hameM samajhAte haiM. parantu saMsAra to khar3A hI rahegA na? aura hameM to mokSa meM jAnA hai ! usake lie 'jJAnI puruSa' cAhie alaga se, 'jJAnI puruSa', ve bhagavAnapakSI kahalAte haiM / vyavahAra meM guru aura nizcaya meM jJAnI! donoM hoM to kAma hogA, isalie Apake jo guru haiM, unheM rahane denaa| vahA~ para darzana karane bhI jAnA ! ve praznakartA : ye satpuruSa to sabhI ko ekasamAna barasAta dete haiM, parantu yadi merA nIma ho aura dUsare kA Ama ho, to bIja meM pharka par3a jAegA na? phira eka-sA pariNAma kisa taraha prApta kareMge?

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176 AptavANI-5 dAdAzrI : apane yahA~ to bIja kI koI parezAnI nahIM hai| yahA~ para to Apako vinayapUrvaka mujhase kahanA hai ki sAhaba, merA kalyANa kiijie| yahA~ para parama vinaya se mokSa hai| yaha pA~cave Are kA paudgalika sar3ana hai, yaha kabhI bhI 'ripeyara' nahIM hogaa| yahA~ se ripeyara karo to vahA~ se TUTegA aura vahA~ se ripeyara karo to yahA~ se ttuuttegaa| isake badale to 'akrama vijJAna' aMdara se zuddha kara detA hai aura Apako alaga rakhatA hai! praznakartA : 'dAdA' mujhe 'jJAna' deMge parantu mujhameM samajhane kI zakti nahIM ho to kyA karU~? dAdAzrI : bhItara AtmA hai na, jIvita ho isalie saba ho jaaegaa| ApameM samajhane kI zakti hai, aisA yadi maiM pAsa karane bailUM to koI pAsa hI nahIM ho paaegaa| isalie maiMne zurUAta meM RSabhadeva bhagavAna kI mUrti ke pAsa bAta karake pUchA thA ki yaha akrama vijJAna denA ho to kise dUM? pAsa hone ke lie taitIsa pratizata mArksa cAhie aura koI tIna pratizata ke Upara AtA hI nhiiN| taba bhagavAna ne kahA ki tIna pratizatavAle ko do| usake bAda phira pAra velyuvAle ko dene lage, yAnI ki z2Iro mArksavAle ! abhI to mAinasa mArksavAloM ko yaha 'jJAna' diyA jA rahA hai| praznakartA : yAda karate hI hameM jo dAdA bhagavAna ke darzana hote haiM aura rAstA dikhAte haiM, vaha kisI vaijJAnika prakriyA ke AdhAra para hai? dAdAzrI : vaha svabhAva se hI hai sArA! usameM zuddha cetana sAilenTa hotA hai| yaha 'lAiTa' sAilenTa hai| 'lAiTa' ke AdhAra para saba kriyAe~ karatA hai yA nahIM karatA? 'lAiTa' kA phAyadA milatA hai! praznakartA : yAda karate hI, 'dAdA bhagavAna' hAz2ira ho jAte haiN| vaha kriyA zuddha cetana ke AdhAra para honevAlI bAhara kI kriyA hai? dAdAzrI : AdhAra nahIM, vaha to svAbhAvika kriyA hai| bhItara sUkSma

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AptavANI-5 177 zarIra kA AkarSaNa honA, vaha svAbhAvika kriyA hai| praznakartA : parantu vaha pudgalavAle bhAga meM hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : sabakucha pudgala hI kahalAtA hai| jagat use cetana mAnatA hai, vAstava meM vahA~ para cetana hai hI nhiiN| koI cetana taka pahu~cA hI nahIM! cetana kI parachAI taka bhI nahIM pahu~cA! praznakartA : jJAnI aura jJAna-avatAra, ina donoM meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : unameM khAsa koI pharka nahIM hotA, parantu jJAnI to aisA hai na ki sabhI ko, zAstra ke jJAniyoM ko bhI jJAnI hI kahate haiM na? phira ve zAstra cAhe jo bhI ho| kurAna ko jAnatA ho use bhI jJAnI kahate haiN| yAnI ki jJAna avatAra kahA huA hai| dUsare kisIse jJAna-avatAra nahIM likhA jA sakatA, jJAnI akele hI likha sakate haiM, utanA pharka rahA! praznakartA : kRpAludeva jJAna-avatAra kahalAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : hA~, ve to jJAna-avatAra haiN| praznakartA : AtmajJAnI aura kevaLajJAnI meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI pharka nahIM hai| AtmA kevaLajJAna svarUpa' hai, parantu sattA ke kAraNa pharka hai| sattA arthAt AvaraNa ke kAraNa kevaLajJAna nahIM dikhatA hai| bAhara kA dikhatA hai| sattA vahI kI vahI hotI hai, jaise kisIko DeDha naMbara ke cazme hoM aura kisIko cazme nahIM hoM to pharka par3egA na? usake jaisA hai! praznakartA : yuga puruSa prakaTa hoMge hamalogoM ke zAsana meM? dAdAzrI : hoMge na! yuga puruSa nahIM hoMge, to yaha duniyA kisa taraha calegI? kudarata ko garaz2a hai, usake lie hamalogoM ko garaz2a rakhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| janmotrI dekhane kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| vaha to kudarata ke niyama se hI hogaa| Apa apanI taiyArI rakho, bistara-kapar3e bA~dhakara gAr3I kaba Ae aura baiTha jAe~, aisI taiyArI rkho|

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AptavANI-5 praznakartA: sahI gAr3I AI yA galata AI hai, usakA patA kisa taraha calegA? 178 dAdAzrI : aisI zaMkA ho to ghara cale jaanaa| bhagavAna ke vahA~ zaMkAvAle kA to kAma hI nahIM hai / ina gAr3iyoM meM sahI-galata nahIM karanA hotA hai| samajhane meM sahI-galata karanA hotA hai / praznakartA : bhakta aura jJAnI, ina donoM meM pharka hai kyA? I dAdAzrI : hA~, sevya aura sevaka jitanA pharka hai ! bhakta sevaka hai, ve bAda meM sevya baneMge / jJAnI sevya haiM aura bhakta sevaka haiM / sevya kA sevana karane se sevya banate jAte haiM aura rUpa to eka hI hai, parantu avasthAoM ke kAraNa badalatA hai / jinhoMne AtmA prApta kara liyA hai, ve sabhI jJAnI kahalAte haiM, parantu yadi sabhI jJAnI kahalAne lageM to kyA javAba doge? yAnI ki jJAnI zrutajJAna sahita hone caahie| vItarAga bhagavAna kA pUrA zrutajJAna, usI prakAra vedAMta mArga kA sabhI zrutajJAna hotA hai, taba unheM jJAnI kaha sakate haiN| aise hI jJAnI nahIM kahe jA sakate ! praznakartA : AzIrvAda mA~geM aura deM, to ve phalita hote haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, parantu hamezA sabhI phalita nahIM hote, usameM apanA vacanabala honA cAhie, taba vaha phalita hogA / nahIM to phira bhI Apako AzIrvAda to dene cAhie / bAkI kisIke dene se diyA nahIM jAtA, vaha to usakA kAma honevAlA hotA hai, taba yaha nimitta bana jAtA hai / jisakA yazanAmakarma hotA hai ve nimitta bana jAte haiM, phira AzIrvAda kI dukAneM kholate haiN| khuda meM to saMDAsa jAne kI bhI zakti nahIM hai, to AzIrvAda kyA detA! yaha to yazanAmakarma hotA hai, bar3e logoM kA yazanAma karma adhi acchA hotA hai| jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA bahuta samaya se, bahuta janmoM se karate Ae hoM to yazanAma karma bahuta bar3A hotA hai / yazanAma karma to jagatkalyANa kI bhAvanA meM se utpanna hotA hai / jagat ke logoM ko sukha ho, jitane

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AptavANI-5 179 parimANa meM aisI icchA hotI hai, usameM se yazanAma karma ba~dhatA hai aura jagat ko duHkha deM, to apayaza nAmakarma ba~dhatA hai| apayaza nAmakarmavAlA cAhe jitanA kAma kare, phira bhI apayaza milatA hai ! bahuta loga yahA~ mujhe kahate haiM ki, 'maiMne bahuta kAma kiyA, phira bhI mujhe apayaza milatA hai|' 'are, tU apayaza lekara AyA hai, isalie apayaza milegaa| tujhe to terA kAma karanA hai aura apayaza lenA hai!' / praznakartA : Apa vidhi karavAte haiM, to usake sthAna ke rUpa meM aMgUThe ko hI mahatva kyoM dete haiM? dAdAzrI : jisa rAste se bhagavAna se jaldI tAra jur3e usa jagaha para vidhi karavAte haiN| dUsarI jagaha para kareM to tAra dera se phuNcegaa| hameM jaldI khabara bhejanI hai na islie| tujhe pasaMda nahIM AyA? praznakartA : 'kvika sarvisa' to sabhI ko pasaMda AtI hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki ye loga kucha bolate haiM ki amRta jharatA hai, kucha aisA amRta jharatA hai kyA? tujhe thor3A-bahuta anubhava huA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : taba ThIka hai| jisa kisI rAste amRta Tapake vaha kAma kA! praznakartA : 'sarvajJa' kise kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : yaha kavirAja ne hamAre lie 'sarvajJa' likhA hai, vAstava meM to ye kAraNasarvajJa haiN| 'sarvajJa' to, 360 DigrI ke hoM, taba 'sarvajJa' kahalAte haiN| yaha to hamArA 356 DigrI kA hai, hama sarvajJa ke kAraNoM kA sevana karate haiM! khuda eka samaya bhI para-samaya meM nahIM jAe, niraMtara svasamaya meM raheM, ve 'srvjny'| hama saMpUrNa abhyaMtara nigraMtha haiN| hameM jisa veSa meM 'jJAna' huA thA, usa veSa meM parivartana nahIM hogaa| hameM to, ye kapar3e nikAla lo, to

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180 AptavANI-5 bhI harja nahIM aura rahane do to bhI harja nahIM hai| hameM lUTa le to bhI harja nahIM hai| praznakartA : ApameM kitane karmoM kA abhAva hai? dAdAzrI : hamameM sabhI karmoM kA abhAva hai| sirpha isa deha ke poSaNa ke lie z2arUrata ho utanA hotA hai| vaha karma bhI saMvarapUrvaka kI nirjarA ke rUpa meM hotA hai| dUsarA koI hameM vicAra hI nahIM aataa| praznakartA : yAnI ki Apako anaMta jJAna, anaMta darzana prakaTa ho cukA hai? dAdAzrI : sabakucha prakaTa ho cukA hai| sirpha cAra DigrI kI hI kamI hai| jitanA kevaLajJAnI ko 'jJAna' meM dikhatA hai, utanA hameM samajha meM A gayA hai| unakA kevaLajJAna kahalAtA hai, hamArA kevaLadarzana kahalAtA hai| isalie hama kahate haiM ki pUre jagat ke bAre meM yahA~ para pUchA jA sakatA hai| praznakartA : 'kevaLajJAna' ke binA 'kevaLadarzana' ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : kramika mArga meM kevaLajJAna' ke binA kevaLadarzana' nahIM ho sktaa| 'akramamArga' meM 'kevaLadarzana' ho jAtA hai, phira 'kevaLajJAna' hone taka kucha samaya lagatA hai| ye saba buddhi ke viSaya nahIM haiM, yaha jJAna kA viSaya hai| praznakartA : Apa sAkSAtkArI puruSa haiM, aba Apa maMdiroM meM jAo, usase maMdira meM jAne ke lie pratiSThA khar3I nahIM hotI? dAdAzrI : hama jahA~ jAte haiM, vahA~ para sabhI jagaha darzana karane jAte haiN| jinAlaya meM, mahAdevajI ke maMdira meM, mAtAjI ke maMdira meM, masjida meM, sabhI jagaha darzana karane jAte haiN| hama nahIM jAe~ to loga bhI nahIM jaaeNge| usase galata prathA pdd'egii| hamase galata prathA nahIM pdd'e| usakI hama para jimmedArI hotI hai| logoM ko kisa taraha zAMti ho, kaise sukha ho,

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AptavANI-5 hamAre aise rAste hote haiM / yaha akrama vijJAna itanA adhika phaladAyI hai, eka miniTa bhI TAima kaise khoe~? phira aisA joga kisI janma meM nahIM aaegaa| isalie isa janma meM pUrA kara lenA hai| 181 praznakartA : dAdA, yaha pUrA kara lene ko kahA, vaha kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : hama jaba taka haiM, taba taka aura kahIM TAima nahIM bigAr3anA caahie| hama bar3audA jAe~ aura jisake vaise anukUla saMyoga hoM aura paise hoM, unheM vahA~ para AnA cAhie / jitanA ho sake utanA hamArA adhika samaya lenaa| sirpha hamAre satsaMga meM Akara baiThe rahanA / aura kucha bhI karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai! praznakartA : ApakA paricaya deMge? dAdAzrI : 'mujhe' Apa pahacAna nahIM sakoge / 'ye' jo Apa dekhate ho, ve to aMbAlAla paTela haiM - bhAdaraNa gA~va ke ! mujhe to Apa pahacAna hI nahIM sakoge na! kyoMki 'maiM' isa taraha dikhUM, aisA hU~ hI nahIM ! yaha jo vANI bolI jA rahI hai, vaha 'orijinala TeparikaoNrDara' hai| ApakA bhI 'orijinala TeparikaoNrDara' hai, parantu Apako ahaMkAra hai isalie 'maiM bolA', 'maiM bolA ' karate rahate ho ! hameM ahaMkAra nahIM hai isalie aisA kucha jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM rahatA / ye dikhate haiM ve bhAdaraNa ke paTela haiM aura bhItara 'dAdA bhagavAna' baiThe haiM! yahA~ vyakta ho cuke haiM aura ApameM avyakta rUpa se rahe hue haiN| una vyakta ke sAtha vinayapUrvaka baiThane se Apake bhI vyakta hote jaaeNge| yaha parama vinaya kA mArga hai| yahA~ paisoM kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / yahA~ sevA kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai / yahA~ kisI cIz2a kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| yahA~ dravyapUjA nahIM hotI, yaha to mokSa kA mArga hai| hamAre pAsa avinaya karo usameM hameM harja nahIM hai, parantu Apa apane khuda para aMtarAya DAla rahe ho, Apa hameM gAliyA~ dete ho, vaha Apa khuda apane ko hI nukasAna kara rahe ho| yahA~ to bahuta vinaya cAhie, parama vinaya

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182 AptavANI-5 cAhie! yahA~ eka akSara bhI ulTA-sIdhA nahIM bolanA caahie| abhI yadi mAmalatadAra ke pAsa gae hoM to usa ghar3I cupa hokara baiThe raheMge, vahA~ kaise eka akSara bhI nahIM bolate! aura ye to 'jJAnI puruSa'! unake pAsa to bolate hoMge? 'jJAnI puruSa' to dehadhArI paramAtmA kahalAte haiM !!! vahA~ sabhI vastue~ prApta hoM, aisA hai! khuda apanI hI bhakti praznakartA : hama invAiTa nahIM kareM, phira bhI apane Apa vastu AtI hai| isa nIMda ko lAnA par3atA hai? vaha apane Apa hI AtI hai, vaise hI yaha jJAna bhI apane Apa hI AegA? / dAdAzrI : ye rileTiva vastue~ invAiTa karane jaisI nahIM haiN| invAiTa karane jaisI vastu kyA hai? ki hameM jisa gA~va jAnA ho, usakA jJAna jAnane jaisA hai| bAkI dUsarA saba to apane Apa hI aaegaa| Aja dharma meM jo sAre paruSArtha cala rahe haiM, ve to khetIbADI karate haiM, bIja DAlate haiM usakA pA~ca sau-pA~ca sau gunA milatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : apane isa mArga meM bhI thor3I khetIbAr3I hai na? apane meM bhI AratI karate haiM na? dAdAzrI : apane meM khetIbAr3I hotI hogI? khuda khudA ho gayA na ! apane yahA~ jo AratI hai vaha khuda kI AratI hai, yahA~ hara eka vyakti khuda apanI hI AratI kara rahA hai| apane yahA~ jo pada gAe jAte haiM, vaha khuda kI hI kIrtana bhakti hai! apane yahA~ khuda ke alAvA rileTiva vastue~ haiM hI nahIM! praznakartA : khuda kI kIrtanabhakti karanevAlA kauna? dAdAzrI : khuda hI, khuda! praznakartA : vaha kauna-sA bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : vaha prajJAzakti hai, vaha kAma kara rahI hai!

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AptavANI-5 183 praznakartA : ajJA nahIM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ajJA to rahegI hI nahIM ! ajJA ho vahA~ para saMsAra khar3A ho jaaegaa| saMsArI bAbata kI salAha deM, vaha ajJAzakti hai ! jise khabara nahIM hai ki apane yahA~ khuda apanI hI kIrtanabhakti karate haiM, unheM to phira nukasAna hI hogA na? yaha jAnane ke bAda nukasAna mata hone do! yahA~ jo bhakti karate haiM, vaha mere lie, 'e. ema. paTela' ke lie nahIM hai, 'dAdA bhagavAna' kI hai ! aura 'dAdA' to sabameM baiThe hue haiM, mujha akele meM nahIM baiThe hue haiM, ve ApameM bhI baiThe hue haiM, yaha unakI hI bhakti hai! yaha AratI bagairaha saba unakA hI hai aura isalie hI yahA~ para sabhIko AnaMda AtA hai, Apake sAtha maiM bhI aMdara baiThe hue 'dAdA' ko mere namaskAra karatA hU~! praznakartA : usa ghar3I saba AnaMda meM A jAte haiM, usakA kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : kyoMki ye 'dAdA' yadi dehadhArI rUpa meM hote na taba to mana meM aisA hotA ki khuda apanA hI gAnA gAte rahate haiM ! vAstava meM yaha vaisA nahIM hai! kRSNa bhagavAna ne gItA meM isI taraha gAyA hai ! parantu logoM ko samajha meM nahIM AtA na ! " tU' hI kRSNa bhagavAna hai", jaba taka svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM huA ho, taba taka yaha kisa taraha samajha meM AegA ? sunanevAlA bhI khuda kA satsaMga karatA hai aura bolanevAlA bhI khuda kA satsaMga karatA hai / yaha vijJAna isa prakAra kA hai ki kisI vyakti ko dUsaroM ke lie karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, apane Apa khuda apane lie hI kara rahe haiM! ye Apako dikhate haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM? nahIM, nahIM haiM ye 'dAdA bhagavAna', ye to 'e. ema. paTela' haiM, bhAdaraNa gA~va ke haiM / 'dAdA bhagavAna' to aMdara prakaTa hue haiM, ve haiM! unakA svarUpa kyA hai? jJAna - darzana - cAritra aura tapa vaha unakA

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184 AptavANI-5 svarUpa hai! jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa ke AdhAra para jo anubhava meM AtA hai, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| varnA ye to paTela haiN| kala yaha bulabulA phUTa jAegA to loga ise jalA deMge aura 'dAdA bhagavAna' ko koI nahIM jalA sktaa| kyoMki agni sthUla svarUpa hai aura AtmA sUkSma hai| sthUla sUkSma ko kisa taraha jalAegA? usI prakAra ke jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa ke svarUpa meM rahe hue 'dAdA bhagavAna' Apake bhItara bhI birAjamAna haiM! vaha Apa khuda hI ho! jaya saccidAnaMda

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galana ___ mUla gujarAtI zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda aNahakka : binA haqa kA azAtA : duHkha-pariNAma Ar3AI : ahaMkAra kA Ter3hApana Are : kAlacakra kA eka bhAga upAdhi : bAhara se AnevAle duHkha UparI : baoNsa, variSTha mAlika : DiscArja honA, khAlI honA nikAla : nipaTArA nirjarA : Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA noMdha : atyaMta rAga athavA dveSa sahita lambe samaya taka yAda rakhanA, noTa karanA : jisakA sarjana aura vinAza ho pUraNa : cArja honA, bharanA lAgaNI : bhAvukatAvAlA prema, lagAva vaLagaNa : balA, bhUtAveza, pAza, baMdhana silaka : jamApU~jI saMvara : zuddha upayogapUrvaka karma kI nirjarA jisase naye karma cArja nahIM hote zAtA : sukha-pariNAma pudgala

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AptavANI, tamAma dharmoM kA sAra! AptavANI kI khyAti dinoMdina bahuta bddh'egii| pUre jagata ke khulAse isa meM se mileNge| sabhI dharma ina meM se prApti kareMge, yAnI ina AptavANiyoM meM se ye hI loga tatva nikAla leMge, isI kI z2arurata hai| AptavANI par3hakara to kitane hI loga kahate haiM ki hameM aura koI dhArmika pustaka par3hane kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'egii| yAnI ina AptavANiyoM se hI calegA saba kuch|apnii pustakeM logoM ko bahuta helpa kreNgii| isalie sabhI se kahA hai ki eka bAra pustakeM chapavA do|chp gaI na, aba una para se loga aura chApeMge, paraMtu aba yaha kho nahIM jaaegaa| yaha bAte khoe~gI nahIM ab| -dAdAzrI AtmavijJAnI 'e. ema. paTela ke bhItara prakaTa hue dAdA bhagavAnanA asIma jaya jayakAra ho